#QuestionOfTheDay what's the most tedious fandom/hobby argument you've ever been apart of?

[ami_angelwings@urusai.social]

#QuestionOfTheDay what's the most tedious fandom/hobby argument you've ever been apart of? (no judgment)

And what's the most interesting fandom/hobby argument you've ever been part of?

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[arcadiagt5@mstdn.social]

@ami_angelwings no specific examples but in general gatekeeping is HORRIBLY tedious and generally nasty. “You’re not a real fan unless you’ve seen X” is just bullshit and I want no part of it.

At the other end, good natured speculation about aspects not fully explained where the participants are doing so in good humour and the knowledge that they can’t ever know for certain.

[alxdre301@urusai.social]

@arcadiagt5 @ami_angelwings it's always fucking this 😞

[neatchee@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings tedious? Star Wars vs Star Trek in-universe combat comparisons e.g. Millennium Falcon vs USS Enterprise

Best? Whether Lois could ever carry Superman's baby to term

[lalah@sakurajima.moe]

@ami_angelwings lots of websites give a specific birthday to my favorite character but there is no official source for this birthday and it contradicts her official zodiac sign. not a back and forth argument exactly but I did send a long explanation with sources to an anime site explaining why they should remove the random birthday but they never did. it frustrates me

[cinebox@masto.hackers.town]

@ami_angelwings an argument over what aircraft was the first SST

(It’s the DC-8)

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings For me probably the most tedious would be Apple. They've spent an enormous focus since almost the beginning on marketing and it has worked.

People will fight and die for them. They release a thing that is just the same basic function something else already does, apply limits to it, charge 3x as much for it, and then slap on a flashy exterior and people sleep in tents for a week in freezing temperatures to be the first in line to buy it.

People wax on constant nostalgia for various things that just weren't as good. They put Apple on a pedestal so high you can barely see it anymore and fight tooth and nail against anyone suggesting maybe the corporate garden isn't all beds of roses.

I suggest alternatives and get ripped into.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings As a side note, this applies to a lot of fanboyism in a lot of things and tech is definitely high up the ladder in that regard. For example, nVidia fanboys insisting AMD is the worst thing ever made when, ultimately in a game, they're almost the exact same thing, just one sometimes is faster than the other in a particular generation. (nVidia pulled ahead for now, but at the cost of ridiculous price tags, high power usage, and just generally being unfriendly towards consumers, so... I really don't get the fanboyism. But then AMD has had their negative moments too... No one is perfect. That's the nature of tech! No one belongs on a pedestal.)

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings I'm having troubles remembering a specific example of my favorite fandom/arguments, but one thing I truly love is getting into deep speculation about things.

Take, for example, the game Stray. There's... a lot of background to that game that isn't immediately obvious. I have a very specific theory about what happened to all the humans (I don't know if it counts as a spoiler or not, so I won't say it in this post) and how things got the way they are. Plus there's some easily missable stuff like exactly how the Zurks came about. If all you do is the minimum quest-wise and then spend the rest of the time knocking flower pots down you'll totally miss stuff like that. And it makes for some really fun discussions.

This one isn't my favorite though. Just one of many.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings I think the main thing I like to speculate about is what happened to the humans. Of course, the fact is the Zurk ultimately killed everyone (presumably while still just a really prevalent bacteria. You could pretty much just blowtorch them out at the end there.)

But consider our little "AI" assistant who was so obviously once a human.

Suppose actually that's what all the robots actually are and how they got that way. Suppose that's why they all have weird human habits that the game sort of lets us believe they merely developed from observation. There was obviously a transfer process to get consciousness into the helper we see from the beginning and it was obviously incomplete.

You see strange machines around here and there too...

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings As a supporting point to my theory, when you get to the sealed off area, all the companion bots inside are as generic and unthinking as could ever be imagined. They had been running all that time doing absolutely nothing but repeating the same tasks over and over robotically. They have absolutely no personality whatsoever and never once thought to paint or play board games or anything else. Just clean.

When trying to transfer people, they wouldn't have been able to reach that area to transfer anyone into them. Thus they remained forever just as they originally were. The secret of the robots developing personalities was not simply time alone.

Thus every robot we see up until that point is actually a transferred human who forgot

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
A cinemaphile/cinematography YouTuber I greatly respect (a true expert on film) argued that High-Frame-Rate movies are a gimmicky abomination that will NEVER create watchable films. I briefly and gently suggested that he could be right but the same was said before about every technological advancement in film (sound, color, 3D, IMAX, digital projection, etc.) He came back at me with paragraphs and paragraphs of criticism questioning my utter lack of knowledge, whether I'd seen any good films at all and generally doubting I had any good sense or taste. Once a few of his fans piled on with insults, nothing I said with good humor, humility and a respectful tone could diminish the collective hate coming my way. I thought we'd at least get to a agree-to-disagree resolution but I was left with no choice but to exit the discussion in shame.

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
Some of the most interesting arguments keep popping up around the question whether you can continue to love a body of work (Harry Potter, the Ender's Game Saga, Dilbert, Neil Gaman, etc) even when confronted with the hostile homophobia, transphobia, regressive political views and sexual abuse of their creator. I've been surprised a few times that people are willing mostly to engage this question with some nuance and empathy. True fans can understand you having to reject the work you love because of its author and also accept someone who clings dearly to the meaning that a beloved work holds for them while ignoring the abject flaws of its author.

[ertchin@mstdn.social]

@ami_angelwings Most tedious might have been that a certain VN/anime character was transgender.

Had to deal with everything from "Japan has femboys, not trans women" to "it's not what the author wrote" (it's probably not what they MEANT to write but they absolutely fuckin' wrote it) to the actual guy who translated it into English saying "nah, he's a man". That last part was when I noped out.

[ertchin@mstdn.social]

@ami_angelwings Most interesting, hmm. I'll go with the broad question of "what the hell is happening in Deltarune?", because I've found a couple of places that are willing to discuss any and all theories but also willing to acknowledge that many of the theories are Not It.

It's actually helped me (I think) be a little less tedious in my own insistence on certain arguments.

[egret@tenforward.social]

@PixelJones @ami_angelwings The shame was rightly theirs.

[arcadiagt5@mstdn.social]

@Steveg58 @neatchee @ami_angelwings I do, and I still think it’s funny. :)

[neatchee@urusai.social]

@arcadiagt5 @Steveg58 @ami_angelwings I was thinking about this scene from Mallrats: https://youtu.be/wqwUdp5-2D8?t=35s

Also the cookie stand is not part of the food court

[arcadiagt5@mstdn.social]

@Steveg58 @neatchee @ami_angelwings New to me too! It’s our lucky 10000 day today apparently… https://xkcd.com/1053/ #XKCD

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
My personal opinion is that the work stands apart and has a life of its own beyond the author ... unless revelations about the author expose darker meanings and intentions buried in the work. Sometimes ideas or scenes you thought were accidents or ironic or pointed humor turn out to be true insights into the author's inner demons. So, those works can't help but get retroactively poisoned by what you know too late.