#QuestionOfTheDay what's the most tedious fandom/hobby argument you've ever been apart of?

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings As a supporting point to my theory, when you get to the sealed off area, all the companion bots inside are as generic and unthinking as could ever be imagined. They had been running all that time doing absolutely nothing but repeating the same tasks over and over robotically. They have absolutely no personality whatsoever and never once thought to paint or play board games or anything else. Just clean.

When trying to transfer people, they wouldn't have been able to reach that area to transfer anyone into them. Thus they remained forever just as they originally were. The secret of the robots developing personalities was not simply time alone.

Thus every robot we see up until that point is actually a transferred human who forgot

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
A cinemaphile/cinematography YouTuber I greatly respect (a true expert on film) argued that High-Frame-Rate movies are a gimmicky abomination that will NEVER create watchable films. I briefly and gently suggested that he could be right but the same was said before about every technological advancement in film (sound, color, 3D, IMAX, digital projection, etc.) He came back at me with paragraphs and paragraphs of criticism questioning my utter lack of knowledge, whether I'd seen any good films at all and generally doubting I had any good sense or taste. Once a few of his fans piled on with insults, nothing I said with good humor, humility and a respectful tone could diminish the collective hate coming my way. I thought we'd at least get to a agree-to-disagree resolution but I was left with no choice but to exit the discussion in shame.

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
Some of the most interesting arguments keep popping up around the question whether you can continue to love a body of work (Harry Potter, the Ender's Game Saga, Dilbert, Neil Gaman, etc) even when confronted with the hostile homophobia, transphobia, regressive political views and sexual abuse of their creator. I've been surprised a few times that people are willing mostly to engage this question with some nuance and empathy. True fans can understand you having to reject the work you love because of its author and also accept someone who clings dearly to the meaning that a beloved work holds for them while ignoring the abject flaws of its author.

[ertchin@mstdn.social]

@ami_angelwings Most tedious might have been that a certain VN/anime character was transgender.

Had to deal with everything from "Japan has femboys, not trans women" to "it's not what the author wrote" (it's probably not what they MEANT to write but they absolutely fuckin' wrote it) to the actual guy who translated it into English saying "nah, he's a man". That last part was when I noped out.

[ertchin@mstdn.social]

@ami_angelwings Most interesting, hmm. I'll go with the broad question of "what the hell is happening in Deltarune?", because I've found a couple of places that are willing to discuss any and all theories but also willing to acknowledge that many of the theories are Not It.

It's actually helped me (I think) be a little less tedious in my own insistence on certain arguments.

[egret@tenforward.social]

@PixelJones @ami_angelwings The shame was rightly theirs.

[arcadiagt5@mstdn.social]

@Steveg58 @neatchee @ami_angelwings I do, and I still think it’s funny. :)

[neatchee@urusai.social]

@arcadiagt5 @Steveg58 @ami_angelwings I was thinking about this scene from Mallrats: https://youtu.be/wqwUdp5-2D8?t=35s

Also the cookie stand is not part of the food court

[arcadiagt5@mstdn.social]

@Steveg58 @neatchee @ami_angelwings New to me too! It’s our lucky 10000 day today apparently… https://xkcd.com/1053/ #XKCD

[pixeljones@mindly.social]

@ami_angelwings
My personal opinion is that the work stands apart and has a life of its own beyond the author ... unless revelations about the author expose darker meanings and intentions buried in the work. Sometimes ideas or scenes you thought were accidents or ironic or pointed humor turn out to be true insights into the author's inner demons. So, those works can't help but get retroactively poisoned by what you know too late.

[zhinxy@mastodon.social]

@ami_angelwings "why doesn't Batman kill the Joker/buy crime" is most tedious, most interesting, otoh?... Hmmm 🤔

[supertaliadx@mastodon.art]

@ami_angelwings the most tedious one for me recently was Helldivers 2 fans trying to paint Super Earth as being "good", just because everyone else is also bad. They're strapping nuked to teens and telling them to run at the enemy, they're not "good" by any means.

[supertaliadx@mastodon.art]

@ami_angelwings one of the more interesting (but completely unimportant at the end of the day) discussions I've never had was about what constitutes a "piece of music".
Is every recording of Moonlight Sonata a new piece of music? Is the original manuscript the piece? Are reproductions of the score the same piece of music? What if they misprint a note? If someone transcribes it by ear and they hear different rhythms than Beethoven intended, have they made a new piece?

[supertaliadx@mastodon.art]

@ami_angelwings If a player makes stylistic decisions, have they altered the piece? Is it a new piece?

It seemed a lot of people considered a musical to be a piece, but no one could agree on what that piece was. Is it the original score, the first performance, the first recording, or even the first filming? Was every performance of it a performance of the same piece, or were they different?

[supertaliadx@mastodon.art]

@ami_angelwings Does the order of the songs in a show matter? Because Love Never Dies changed song order several times, and the filmed production has a different order to the album. Heck the show had substantial rewrites, is it still the same show?

It's very Ship of Theseus, but with extra layers because the Ship is a physical object, while a piece of music is... so many different conceptual objects and also several physical ones, all stacked on top of each other.

[lalah@sakurajima.moe]

@ertchin I've seen this happen over and over again in different fandoms. It makes me cringe.

[bogusmeatfactory@dosgame.club]

@ami_angelwings the most tedious argument is "What is retro?" Its just everyone being old men shouting at clouds refusing to accept the subjectivity of the argument.

[cthellis@urusai.social]

@ami_angelwings There was a guy who simply felt the need to disagree with me, no matter what. To the point where when I was complaining about battle shounen (a common enough occurrence for me) he had said something to the degree of “if you ignore the few hundred filler episodes, Naruto has a pretty tight narrative.”

Like…. My dude…😝

[cthellis@urusai.social]

@PixelJones @ami_angelwings I’m remembering that the guy who always disagreed with me was a “film school guy”. Even if the topic isn’t movies, maybe it’s just their personalities? 😝

To be fair, I would always crush him in every argument. But he WOULD tell me I’m an idiot squared at every opportunity, and flex whatever minimal connection his degree had to anything.

[jlm@mastodon.world]

@ami_angelwings
Back in 88 everyone was up in arms about Michael Keaton being cast as Batman. So much hate and all of us, me included, where so wrong. I admit I was loud wrong and that Keaton is my Batman.

I get to be around college students. They are upset that the end of The Boys is close and are curious about the comic. The looks I got as the "old man" shocked them with the differences between the show and the comic. That was the best.