Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

[anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.be]

@dan@discuss.systems

Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

[qurlyjoe@mstdn.social]

@AnguaDelphine @dan
Tiered subscription model to release more features depending on the level you’ve payed for.

[qurlyjoe@mstdn.social]

@dan
What brand? So I don’t buy one.

[someone_else@infosec.exchange]

@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"

[someone_else@infosec.exchange]

@qurlyjoe @dan
The logo tells me it is a BSH device (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te

[oz@mastodonsweden.se]

@dan Same!

[flying@mastodon.bachgau.social]

@someone_else @dan

Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

#InternetOfThings #Security

[jakob@pxi.social]

@someone_else @dan I have not seen this discussed often, but parceling out software even for a one-time feature enabling move has become a way to circumnavigate tariffs. Ship and invoice hardware at cost or even lower, enable functionality after arrival for a price that does not appear on import documents. Very useful, if not necessary for continuing to outsource production to cheap labor or dropship stuff altogether.

The shitty incentives of the current economic system abound.

[skade@hachyderm.io]

@flyIng @someone_else @dan Ich hatte mal eine interessante Unterhaltung mit einem Geschäftsführer einer IoT-Firma. Und der hasste das I in IoT und fand das nur einen gigantischen Hack darum, dass man die Device-2-Device-Kommunikation nicht standardisiert hinkriegt. Stattdessen redet das Thermostat mit dem Rechenzentrum, die Heizung mit dem Rechenzentrum und die Integration wird dort gebastelt und gefixt.

[redrummy@ohai.social]

@someone_else @dan endless_screaming.gif

[robtherunt@cupoftea.social]

@dan
Maybe it’s installing a new shelf layout

[dave2022@mastodonapp.uk]

@dan Does it have a web cam inside? Hackers might be able to steal all your dirty secrets?

I've always wanted to watch my plates get cleaned whist I'm out 🤣

[grahamdowns@mastodon.africa]

@someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). 🤷‍♂️

[mcwabbit@tenforward.social]

@dan Yet...

[eetschrijver@mastodon.social]

@dan Dishwasher: "Can't run now. Not full enough".

[8472@norden.social]

@someone_else @dan https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud/

[peritia@alovely.space]

@someone_else
https://infosec.exchange/@someone_else/116095784488701956

This is a little the case with everything these days.

Why did we normalize putting everything online?

Answer:

Cause that way i can push an "update" to make it not work anymore once i sold enough of insert product here
That way they have to buy my new Product

any other answer is a blatant lie change my mind!

[silberwoelfin@chaos.social]

@GrahamDowns @someone_else @dan Be realistic. When are you actually micromanaging that stuff so precisely? I'd wager, never. Instead, you have an automation set up somewhere that does this automatically for you.
There is no actual technical reason why that "somewhere" would have to be in the "cloud". It should be in your own home, on your own local network, under your control. And if you really do want to check in on anything from outside, use a VPN to connect to your home network.

[fasnix@fe.disroot.org]

@someone_else
Hey, bist du dir bewusst, dass dein Anzeigename "8941 usw" für Nutzende eines Screenreaders und einer Braillezeile sehr anstrengend wahrzunehmen ist?

Was soll die Zeichenkette überhaupt bedeuten?
Kannst du nicht vielleicht einen anderen kurzen Namen verwenden?

[arrestjk@mastodon.nz]

@someone_else @dan So it can look at dishwasher porn