I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized unfortunately I'm also still on a Samsung/Android device. But I'd love to switch to a Fairphone some day. I know that there's a bunch of mobile OS's as well, like @postmarketOS and @LineageOS . Will boost your post so others can weigh in.
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@hadronized @Gina Google Pixel with @GrapheneOS ?
@avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS does Pixel phones support that kind of OS switch?
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina I had the same dissonance, but ultimately decided it's "lesser evil". I tried GrapheneOS on my Pixel and... Well I would have to give up A LOT of convinience, features and just simply frictionless experience, for very little benefit. My phone is a tool. If I need navigation, I need it now, and can't wait for 5-10 minutes for the weird GOS proxy to catch the encrypted pseudo-gps data. All in all - yes, I don't like using stock Android, but alternatives are not "there" yet for me
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina I'm in exactly the same boat... and I'm adamant when my iPhone 13 finally is no more that I won't be getting another one.
I have an ancient Samsung Galaxy S7 running e/OS (same alternative Fairphone provide, fork of LineageOS) and it generally works OK as a backup.
I've just ordered a refurbished Google Pixel 8 to give GrapheneOS a go.
And I've also ordered the new Jolla SailfishOS Linux phone more in hope than expectation.
Ultimately it comes down to app support 🤷♂️
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@hadronized @Gina I had the same dissonance, but ultimately decided it's "lesser evil". I tried GrapheneOS on my Pixel and... Well I would have to give up A LOT of convinience, features and just simply frictionless experience, for very little benefit. My phone is a tool. If I need navigation, I need it now, and can't wait for 5-10 minutes for the weird GOS proxy to catch the encrypted pseudo-gps data. All in all - yes, I don't like using stock Android, but alternatives are not "there" yet for me
@leniwcowaty @Gina yeah, I see the issue, and it’s what makes me feel hesitant. Something I wonder is that I should probably change the way I see phones, by just using them for what they are (sending texts, calling), and stop using them for social media etc. but that would be a huge change and would feel like a regression to me, especially for listening to music.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina It would be worth looking at @e_mydata
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@hadronized @Gina I'm in exactly the same boat... and I'm adamant when my iPhone 13 finally is no more that I won't be getting another one.
I have an ancient Samsung Galaxy S7 running e/OS (same alternative Fairphone provide, fork of LineageOS) and it generally works OK as a backup.
I've just ordered a refurbished Google Pixel 8 to give GrapheneOS a go.
And I've also ordered the new Jolla SailfishOS Linux phone more in hope than expectation.
Ultimately it comes down to app support 🤷♂️
@hadronized @Gina I might also have a play with postmarketOS if I can find a vaguely modern phone to run it on... but ultimately I want a working phone not a compact pocket computer so we'll see.
Linux based with removable battery, kill switches & decent app support in a useable phone is the goal, hence the Jolla order 🤞
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@leniwcowaty @Gina yeah, I see the issue, and it’s what makes me feel hesitant. Something I wonder is that I should probably change the way I see phones, by just using them for what they are (sending texts, calling), and stop using them for social media etc. but that would be a huge change and would feel like a regression to me, especially for listening to music.
@hadronized @Gina exactly that. For basic use, where a phone is a phone and you can get by with very limited selection of apps that don't need Google Play Services, Graphene is super useful and nice. But if the phone is the "command center" of your digital life, and you're pretty much dependent on it working flawlessly, they have a lot more work to do
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@hadronized @Gina I had the same dissonance, but ultimately decided it's "lesser evil". I tried GrapheneOS on my Pixel and... Well I would have to give up A LOT of convinience, features and just simply frictionless experience, for very little benefit. My phone is a tool. If I need navigation, I need it now, and can't wait for 5-10 minutes for the weird GOS proxy to catch the encrypted pseudo-gps data. All in all - yes, I don't like using stock Android, but alternatives are not "there" yet for me
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina that's more about the app and the underlying data than the OS though, isn't it? I'm still on Android but have uninstalled Google Maps, which is indeed extremely difficult to replace!
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina having made the move away from iPhone a couple of times with jolla and Linux options and failed, the best choice that retains functionality is Murena eos
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@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina that's more about the app and the underlying data than the OS though, isn't it? I'm still on Android but have uninstalled Google Maps, which is indeed extremely difficult to replace!
@meuwese @hadronized @Gina no, it's the OS. Graphene uses sandboxed Google Play Services, pushes all the communication through their proxy and doesn't have full support for everything yet. The combination of these three factors make apps that depend on Google Play Services to work and behave unpredictably and sometimes just simply break.
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@hadronized @Gina I had the same dissonance, but ultimately decided it's "lesser evil". I tried GrapheneOS on my Pixel and... Well I would have to give up A LOT of convinience, features and just simply frictionless experience, for very little benefit. My phone is a tool. If I need navigation, I need it now, and can't wait for 5-10 minutes for the weird GOS proxy to catch the encrypted pseudo-gps data. All in all - yes, I don't like using stock Android, but alternatives are not "there" yet for me
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
Navigation can normally be planned. That includes downloading the parts of the map that one needs. Also, make sure to have an address of every destination.
It may not be as convenient as doing it at the last possible moment, but it's really easy.
Disclaimer: I've been doing this a lot with paper maps before there were cell phones.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina I'm on the lookout for one that can sandbox proprietary apps. I stumbled across one but forgot which, I'm sorry. My Samsung/Android phone is working fine for now and it's not due for an upgrade until that's no longer the case, but I've also considered getting a super cheap secondhand phone and testing out FOSS on it while I still have a functioning phone running stock Android. It lowers the stakes, I figure.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina You will indeed. Take and pick whatever cannot afford to give up, or simply too much hassle to replace with FOSS alternative.
No matter how huge an advocate you are, you can't live in a world without corporate infrastructure.
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@avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS does Pixel phones support that kind of OS switch?
@hadronized @avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS iirc Graphene currenly only runs on Pixels, although wider support is planned. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@hadronized unfortunately I'm also still on a Samsung/Android device. But I'd love to switch to a Fairphone some day. I know that there's a bunch of mobile OS's as well, like @postmarketOS and @LineageOS . Will boost your post so others can weigh in.
@Gina @hadronized @postmarketOS @LineageOS
Chiming in as I recently switched my iPhone for a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS, after ~20yrs on apple devices. So far this has worked very well! I have a few things to sort out still, but no dealbreakers. Biggest issue so far has been #vipps, the defacto norwegian/nordic money transfer app. I am able to use it, but for some strange reason it needs to be deleted and reinstalled every week or so. A nuisance, hopefully a temporary one, not a real problem. For navigation I now use CoMaps and/or Organic Maps. I'm in the process of setting up Immich, as a replacement for iCloud photos. Feels great, and I'm discovering new cool stuff all the time. In a few years I'm hoping to be able to install a more "pure" linux OS on the phone, but for now the degoogled android feels like a big step in the right direction, at least for me. -
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
Navigation can normally be planned. That includes downloading the parts of the map that one needs. Also, make sure to have an address of every destination.
It may not be as convenient as doing it at the last possible moment, but it's really easy.
Disclaimer: I've been doing this a lot with paper maps before there were cell phones.
@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.
If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?
Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it
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@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.
If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?
Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
With a preloaded map on the phone it is a good idea to keep the GPS location working while moving about.
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@hadronized @Gina having made the move away from iPhone a couple of times with jolla and Linux options and failed, the best choice that retains functionality is Murena eos
@hadronized @Gina yes it's a compromise but it gets you off Apple with only minor connection to Google. Make sure you open a Curve account as your payment wallet
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@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
With a preloaded map on the phone it is a good idea to keep the GPS location working while moving about.
@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina well, if your phone takes 5-10 minutes to lock the location and needs cellular reception or WiFi, because the OS doesn't support actual GPS hardware in your phone, this is not good. And I would argue issues like this can be a dealbreaker for someone who depends on GPS and navigation working flawlessly.
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@paoloredaelli
Molto prima di globo un mio amico ci campava durante università.
Una sola pizzeria, nel we.
Sfruttato pure lui, ma sempre meno che oggi.E ho da ridire anche sulle "borse" lercie che vedo usare.
Non mi ispira vederci uscire cibo da lì.
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@ro mah...ogni volta che leggo della disoccupazione più bassa da X anni, mi chiedo cosa facciano tutti questi lavoratori, tra gigafactory che non si fanno, negozi che chiudono uno dopo l'altro...deve essere noioso passare otto ore in un capannone pieno di macchine ferme o in un negozio con le serrande abbassate.
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@paoloredaelli Non vivo più a Milano da anni, adesso sono in provincia di Bergamo, e iniziano a diffondersi anche qui... (dove le pizzerie locali tuttavia venerdì e sabato hanno frotte di studenti - non so quanto pagati - per portar le pizze con la loro auto/scooter).
Non ho mai potuto capire come le persone non ragionino sul fatto che è puro sfruttamento di persone che hanno un gran bisogno di guadagnare dei soldini per campare e sono così brave da farlo onestamente....e vengono spremute come limoni purtroppo.
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@paoloredaelli condividi, mai usate queste app in vita mia. Non ne sento il bisogno
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Ci vado io
Inchiesta Glovo a Milano: pagati 2,50€ a consegna. Tronfio di aver sempre evitato come la peste questi servizi di consegna a domicilio (Glovo, Just Eat, Foodora, Deliveroo) : non voglio essere complice di questa forma moderna e strisciante di schiavitù. Se voglio una pizza da asporto me la vado a prendere. Al Sushi club ci vado io, si chiama take-away per un motivo.Inchiesta Glovo a
https://monodes.com/predaelli/2026/02/11/ci-vado-io/
#Ethics #YetAnotherReasonToAvoid
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@informapirata @aitech @DataKnightmare
Io , più sommessamente, ho trovato interessante e degna di esser ricordata questa frasetta:
"The world is accelerating, against its will. I can feel it; I grew up in the 1980s, when time really did move more slowly, in the sense that news and events were spaced way out, and society had time to reflect on them. Now it changes so fast we can’t even keep up, let alone reflect."
Per due motivi:
- il primo è lapalissiano, il mondo sta accelerando (il problema è che non si capisce bene perchè, verso dove ecc. non avendo tempo di riflettere....e questo di solito porta male)- il secondo lo trovo più interessante: si inizia a scrivere, non solo fra letterati e filosofi, che il mondo accelera CONTRO la sua volontà...speriamo sia un primo passettino.
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“He said: ‘As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.’
Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.”
It’s another of those rare times it was the gun’s fault and not the person holding it in a dangerous manner.
Let’s see the NRA talk their way around this.
