I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina I'm on the lookout for one that can sandbox proprietary apps. I stumbled across one but forgot which, I'm sorry. My Samsung/Android phone is working fine for now and it's not due for an upgrade until that's no longer the case, but I've also considered getting a super cheap secondhand phone and testing out FOSS on it while I still have a functioning phone running stock Android. It lowers the stakes, I figure.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina You will indeed. Take and pick whatever cannot afford to give up, or simply too much hassle to replace with FOSS alternative.
No matter how huge an advocate you are, you can't live in a world without corporate infrastructure.
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@avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS does Pixel phones support that kind of OS switch?
@hadronized @avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS iirc Graphene currenly only runs on Pixels, although wider support is planned. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@hadronized unfortunately I'm also still on a Samsung/Android device. But I'd love to switch to a Fairphone some day. I know that there's a bunch of mobile OS's as well, like @postmarketOS and @LineageOS . Will boost your post so others can weigh in.
@Gina @hadronized @postmarketOS @LineageOS
Chiming in as I recently switched my iPhone for a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS, after ~20yrs on apple devices. So far this has worked very well! I have a few things to sort out still, but no dealbreakers. Biggest issue so far has been #vipps, the defacto norwegian/nordic money transfer app. I am able to use it, but for some strange reason it needs to be deleted and reinstalled every week or so. A nuisance, hopefully a temporary one, not a real problem. For navigation I now use CoMaps and/or Organic Maps. I'm in the process of setting up Immich, as a replacement for iCloud photos. Feels great, and I'm discovering new cool stuff all the time. In a few years I'm hoping to be able to install a more "pure" linux OS on the phone, but for now the degoogled android feels like a big step in the right direction, at least for me. -
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
Navigation can normally be planned. That includes downloading the parts of the map that one needs. Also, make sure to have an address of every destination.
It may not be as convenient as doing it at the last possible moment, but it's really easy.
Disclaimer: I've been doing this a lot with paper maps before there were cell phones.
@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.
If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?
Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it
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@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.
If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?
Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
With a preloaded map on the phone it is a good idea to keep the GPS location working while moving about.
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@hadronized @Gina having made the move away from iPhone a couple of times with jolla and Linux options and failed, the best choice that retains functionality is Murena eos
@hadronized @Gina yes it's a compromise but it gets you off Apple with only minor connection to Google. Make sure you open a Curve account as your payment wallet
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@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina
With a preloaded map on the phone it is a good idea to keep the GPS location working while moving about.
@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina well, if your phone takes 5-10 minutes to lock the location and needs cellular reception or WiFi, because the OS doesn't support actual GPS hardware in your phone, this is not good. And I would argue issues like this can be a dealbreaker for someone who depends on GPS and navigation working flawlessly.
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@meuwese @hadronized @Gina no, it's the OS. Graphene uses sandboxed Google Play Services, pushes all the communication through their proxy and doesn't have full support for everything yet. The combination of these three factors make apps that depend on Google Play Services to work and behave unpredictably and sometimes just simply break.
@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina right, but using Google Play services to run a Google navigation tool on Graphene... what's the advantage of that? I understand that the OS makes it impossible to do this, but I don't understand why you'd want to? If you're using Google apps anyway, why not stay on Android?
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina in Denmark you struggle to exist without either iPhone or some supported android device.
Citizen digital signing service is an app (physical token CAN be obtained).
Public transport is also requiring* an app (physical card CAN be bought).
Our pay-from-mobile stopped working on liberated Android due to googles latest shenanigans.
Digital post, doesn’t work either. Can be accessed from a web browser.It is highly inconvenient to use software NOT made by either Apple or Google.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized @Gina at the moment there is only one category of apps that I cannot replace; Banking apps.
In order to tackle that I use two phones.
One proprietary phone with the banking apps - that stays securely at home. This actually feels more like a feature rather than an inconvenience.
One non bigtech OS phone as the daily driver.
So far this seems to be the solutions that works for me.
But I am fully aware that this is not a real solution for most people. Or a solutions that scales.
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@hadronized @Gina in Denmark you struggle to exist without either iPhone or some supported android device.
Citizen digital signing service is an app (physical token CAN be obtained).
Public transport is also requiring* an app (physical card CAN be bought).
Our pay-from-mobile stopped working on liberated Android due to googles latest shenanigans.
Digital post, doesn’t work either. Can be accessed from a web browser.It is highly inconvenient to use software NOT made by either Apple or Google.
@hadronized @antaeus same in the Netherlands. I'll switch when I know for sure that services like DigiD, Berichtenbox and 3 different banking apps work on my phone.
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I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy. He has a Pine phone IIRC, and I have an iPhone. I’m a huge FOSS advocate, and I have to live with that cognitive dissonance of using a highly proprietary phone.
However, when I look at FOSS phones, I feel that I would lose a lot of services and features. Anyone has leads / learning material? @Gina maybe?
@hadronized I’m in a similar situation and tried GrapheneOS on a Pixel in 2025. I wrote about my experience here: https://gabnotes.org/posts/i-tried-moving-to-grapheneos
I hope it can help you!
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@hadronized @antaeus same in the Netherlands. I'll switch when I know for sure that services like DigiD, Berichtenbox and 3 different banking apps work on my phone.
@hadronized @antaeus @Gina data point that can be handy for you: living in NL with a Fairphone 5 with e/OS. DigiD works, banking with 2 banking apps work, I read that they also got Revolut working semi recently but that needs validation.
Main issue is with the maps for me, Magic Earth, the default maps app, is a bit of a hit or miss, might take a few tries to get started, especially on low battery.
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@hadronized @antaeus @Gina data point that can be handy for you: living in NL with a Fairphone 5 with e/OS. DigiD works, banking with 2 banking apps work, I read that they also got Revolut working semi recently but that needs validation.
Main issue is with the maps for me, Magic Earth, the default maps app, is a bit of a hit or miss, might take a few tries to get started, especially on low battery.
@hadronized @antaeus @reshi maps is a big one for me too, I don't really function without it.
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@hadronized @antaeus @reshi maps is a big one for me too, I don't really function without it.
@hadronized @antaeus @Gina yeah, especially if you travel a lot. NS and 9292 cover NL decently, but whenever I go to a new place the experience is annoying compared to Google Maps.
On a brighter note, everything else is quite good! They even offer some cloud things based on nextcloud, but hooking up your own nextcloud instead is easy.
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@paoloredaelli
Molto prima di globo un mio amico ci campava durante università.
Una sola pizzeria, nel we.
Sfruttato pure lui, ma sempre meno che oggi.E ho da ridire anche sulle "borse" lercie che vedo usare.
Non mi ispira vederci uscire cibo da lì.
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@ro mah...ogni volta che leggo della disoccupazione più bassa da X anni, mi chiedo cosa facciano tutti questi lavoratori, tra gigafactory che non si fanno, negozi che chiudono uno dopo l'altro...deve essere noioso passare otto ore in un capannone pieno di macchine ferme o in un negozio con le serrande abbassate.
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@paoloredaelli Non vivo più a Milano da anni, adesso sono in provincia di Bergamo, e iniziano a diffondersi anche qui... (dove le pizzerie locali tuttavia venerdì e sabato hanno frotte di studenti - non so quanto pagati - per portar le pizze con la loro auto/scooter).
Non ho mai potuto capire come le persone non ragionino sul fatto che è puro sfruttamento di persone che hanno un gran bisogno di guadagnare dei soldini per campare e sono così brave da farlo onestamente....e vengono spremute come limoni purtroppo.
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@paoloredaelli condividi, mai usate queste app in vita mia. Non ne sento il bisogno
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Ci vado io
Inchiesta Glovo a Milano: pagati 2,50€ a consegna. Tronfio di aver sempre evitato come la peste questi servizi di consegna a domicilio (Glovo, Just Eat, Foodora, Deliveroo) : non voglio essere complice di questa forma moderna e strisciante di schiavitù. Se voglio una pizza da asporto me la vado a prendere. Al Sushi club ci vado io, si chiama take-away per un motivo.Inchiesta Glovo a
https://monodes.com/predaelli/2026/02/11/ci-vado-io/
#Ethics #YetAnotherReasonToAvoid
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Harrison said he could not recall whether his finger was on the trigger.”
It’s another of those rare times it was the gun’s fault and not the person holding it in a dangerous manner.
Let’s see the NRA talk their way around this.
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