I had a discussion lately regarding smartphones with a buddy.

[iris@neuromatch.social]

@hadronized @avlap2 @Gina @GrapheneOS iirc Graphene currenly only runs on Pixels, although wider support is planned. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[hsorlie@social.vivaldi.net]

@Gina @hadronized @postmarketOS @LineageOS
Chiming in as I recently switched my iPhone for a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS, after ~20yrs on apple devices. So far this has worked very well! I have a few things to sort out still, but no dealbreakers. Biggest issue so far has been #vipps, the defacto norwegian/nordic money transfer app. I am able to use it, but for some strange reason it needs to be deleted and reinstalled every week or so. A nuisance, hopefully a temporary one, not a real problem. For navigation I now use CoMaps and/or Organic Maps. I'm in the process of setting up Immich, as a replacement for iCloud photos. Feels great, and I'm discovering new cool stuff all the time. In a few years I'm hoping to be able to install a more "pure" linux OS on the phone, but for now the degoogled android feels like a big step in the right direction, at least for me.

https://social.vivaldi.net/@hsorlie/116009246710698859

[leniwcowaty@fosstodon.org]

@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina please stop with "back in my day" bs. Why do you drive a car? You can just as easly ride a horse. Or walk.

If I have a device capable of pinpointing my exact location in the span of miliseconds, why would I consider waiting 10 minutes for the same thing acceptable?

Riddle me this - you approach an unpredicted event - a roadblock, a divertion, anything. Can you plan for that ahead of time? I'd rather take out my phone and check the route. Not wait 10 minutes for it

[kingmaype@mastodon.green]

@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina

With a preloaded map on the phone it is a good idea to keep the GPS location working while moving about.

[bigbrownepaul@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @Gina yes it's a compromise but it gets you off Apple with only minor connection to Google. Make sure you open a Curve account as your payment wallet

[leniwcowaty@fosstodon.org]

@KingmaYpe @hadronized @Gina well, if your phone takes 5-10 minutes to lock the location and needs cellular reception or WiFi, because the OS doesn't support actual GPS hardware in your phone, this is not good. And I would argue issues like this can be a dealbreaker for someone who depends on GPS and navigation working flawlessly.

[meuwese@mastodon.social]

@leniwcowaty @hadronized @Gina right, but using Google Play services to run a Google navigation tool on Graphene... what's the advantage of that? I understand that the OS makes it impossible to do this, but I don't understand why you'd want to? If you're using Google apps anyway, why not stay on Android?

[antaeus@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @Gina in Denmark you struggle to exist without either iPhone or some supported android device.

Citizen digital signing service is an app (physical token CAN be obtained).
Public transport is also requiring* an app (physical card CAN be bought).
Our pay-from-mobile stopped working on liberated Android due to googles latest shenanigans.
Digital post, doesn’t work either. Can be accessed from a web browser.

It is highly inconvenient to use software NOT made by either Apple or Google.

[themipper@mastodon.social]

@hadronized @Gina at the moment there is only one category of apps that I cannot replace; Banking apps.

In order to tackle that I use two phones.

One proprietary phone with the banking apps - that stays securely at home. This actually feels more like a feature rather than an inconvenience.

One non bigtech OS phone as the daily driver.

So far this seems to be the solutions that works for me.

But I am fully aware that this is not a real solution for most people. Or a solutions that scales.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @antaeus same in the Netherlands. I'll switch when I know for sure that services like DigiD, Berichtenbox and 3 different banking apps work on my phone.

[crocmagnon@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized I’m in a similar situation and tried GrapheneOS on a Pixel in 2025. I wrote about my experience here: https://gabnotes.org/posts/i-tried-moving-to-grapheneos

I hope it can help you!

[reshi@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @antaeus @Gina data point that can be handy for you: living in NL with a Fairphone 5 with e/OS. DigiD works, banking with 2 banking apps work, I read that they also got Revolut working semi recently but that needs validation.

Main issue is with the maps for me, Magic Earth, the default maps app, is a bit of a hit or miss, might take a few tries to get started, especially on low battery.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @antaeus @reshi maps is a big one for me too, I don't really function without it.

[reshi@fosstodon.org]

@hadronized @antaeus @Gina yeah, especially if you travel a lot. NS and 9292 cover NL decently, but whenever I go to a new place the experience is annoying compared to Google Maps.

On a brighter note, everything else is quite good! They even offer some cloud things based on nextcloud, but hooking up your own nextcloud instead is easy.