u programmed this with claude?
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u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?
boost with CN: LLMs, war crimes
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@aparrish my point is that people can use any pen to write any words they want.
No pen (not even that hypothetical one formerly used by Nazis) will prevent you from writing a certain sequence of words, or from writing about a certain topic. No pen is going to stop putting ink on the paper when your words conflict with some corporate content guideline, or if you write something illegal. No pen is going to write words that you didn't decide to write.
Generative "AI" does all of those things.
@aesthr i agree that generative AI does all of those things. but that's part of the reason that the context of language (including the tools used to produce it) matters. two stretches of text might have the same words, but the knowledge that one stretch was written by/with llms changes how i interpret it. and pens DO limit what can be written with them—think of the difficulty of writing arabic calligraphy with a ballpoint, or how the mongolian script was dropped in favor of cyrillic in mongolia
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@aesthr i agree that generative AI does all of those things. but that's part of the reason that the context of language (including the tools used to produce it) matters. two stretches of text might have the same words, but the knowledge that one stretch was written by/with llms changes how i interpret it. and pens DO limit what can be written with them—think of the difficulty of writing arabic calligraphy with a ballpoint, or how the mongolian script was dropped in favor of cyrillic in mongolia
@aesthr (think also about how certain pens often used for graffiti are kept under lock and key in art stores and require 18+ ID. those pens make it possible to write in a certain way, and that writing is politicized to the point that the tool itself is regulated)
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@aesthr (think also about how certain pens often used for graffiti are kept under lock and key in art stores and require 18+ ID. those pens make it possible to write in a certain way, and that writing is politicized to the point that the tool itself is regulated)
@aparrish you’re still missing the point here about tools vs services, about means of production. and I get the feeling you’re just trying to be contrarian for its own sake
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@aparrish you’re still missing the point here about tools vs services, about means of production. and I get the feeling you’re just trying to be contrarian for its own sake
@aesthr i'm not trying to be contrarian for its own sake. this line of reasoning is very important in my own justification for rejecting AI tools. i strongly agree with your original reply in the thread. all i'm trying to get at is that many of the same critiques we have about how llms have politics and shape the way we write and the horizons of expression *also* apply to other writing tools, even non-computational ones. and we can learn valuable lessons from the criticisms of those other tools
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@aesthr i'm not trying to be contrarian for its own sake. this line of reasoning is very important in my own justification for rejecting AI tools. i strongly agree with your original reply in the thread. all i'm trying to get at is that many of the same critiques we have about how llms have politics and shape the way we write and the horizons of expression *also* apply to other writing tools, even non-computational ones. and we can learn valuable lessons from the criticisms of those other tools
@aparrish i never said that tools in general don’t have politics embedded in them. Yet you went on an unsolicited lecture about it instead of engaging with what I was originally talking about.
It’s arrogant and condescending. Now leave me the fuck alone
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Why assume the human giving the order or the intelligence agency running the AI to select targets *didn't* want to bomb a school?
Obviously it's still a war crime even if they say it was based on faulty or outdated intel. Anyone can *say* that. Equally obviously, a calculation has been made about whether you get away with war crimes these days.
I hate that it's so, but the simplest and most likely explanation for atrocity is always intent.
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@aparrish i never said that tools in general don’t have politics embedded in them. Yet you went on an unsolicited lecture about it instead of engaging with what I was originally talking about.
It’s arrogant and condescending. Now leave me the fuck alone
@aesthr oh no! i'm very sorry—i should had dropped it earlier. i had genuinely believed that i was engaging with what you were saying (and supporting/agreeing with it!) but i understand that it didn't come off that way. i'll do better in the future!
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@aesthr oh no! i'm very sorry—i should had dropped it earlier. i had genuinely believed that i was engaging with what you were saying (and supporting/agreeing with it!) but i understand that it didn't come off that way. i'll do better in the future!
@aparrish eh, you were fine. This guy was just being a douche.
I'd double-down and say that all tools shape behavior. Some more than others. Some better than others.
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@jacqueline Claude's actually the one who refused to do that, unless I'm missing something? ChatGPT is the school-bomber.
@kinosian @jacqueline Anthropic got the headline they wanted for “refusing” but they are in use for target selection and planning via Palantir. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military
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@jacqueline imh this is the same as saying "You are using the same pen as they did sign the Nuremberg laws with". People are accountable for these atrocities, AIs are just another (problematic) tool enabling bad people to do bad things more efficiently. Don't forget who is truly responsible here.
You're probably paying for the tool, or at least contributing to the so-called valuation of the company providing it, hence providing the company with resources to provide child killing services elsewhere.
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@kinosian @jacqueline Anthropic got the headline they wanted for “refusing” but they are in use for target selection and planning via Palantir. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military
@ottumm @jacqueline Sorry to hear that, but thank you for letting me know!
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@jacqueline imh this is the same as saying "You are using the same pen as they did sign the Nuremberg laws with". People are accountable for these atrocities, AIs are just another (problematic) tool enabling bad people to do bad things more efficiently. Don't forget who is truly responsible here.
@vyllenjamnin while I get your point, I think AIs (and of course people/companies behind them) are not as simple a tool as a pen. So I tend not to agree with your analogy in this case.
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u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?
@jacqueline that sure got some rancid replies
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@jacqueline that sure got some rancid replies
@s0 @jacqueline endless blockfodder
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@jacqueline I don't think they used Claude for that, more like ChatGPT and not checking the phone book.
@allanb @jacqueline turns out it was literally Claude for target selection
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@jacqueline imh this is the same as saying "You are using the same pen as they did sign the Nuremberg laws with". People are accountable for these atrocities, AIs are just another (problematic) tool enabling bad people to do bad things more efficiently. Don't forget who is truly responsible here.
@vyllenjamnin @jacqueline Bad analogy. A pen isn't pushing anyone to do war crimes.
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@aparrish eh, you were fine. This guy was just being a douche.
I'd double-down and say that all tools shape behavior. Some more than others. Some better than others.
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@jacqueline nice try to dodge responsibility.
U elect a president which bombs schools and blame a computer instead.
Are you also blaming optics for shooting in the schools? whitewashing the murderers and even their weapons.@ruff I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that @jacqueline did not vote for Trump.
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u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?
@jacqueline You know, they frame stuff this poorly so I'll do it too.
As a treat.
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