Struggling to resize windows on macOS Tahoe?

[rusl443@mstdn.social]

@noheger The video with the plate of food 😂

[stairjoke@indieweb.social]

@noheger I have no words to express my state of being after reading this. This is just simply very stupid.

[menos@todon.eu]

@eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger As usual, #GNOME can be trusted to copy the stupidest ideas from everybody else.

[65ghz@toots.nu]

@noheger > Living on this planet for quite a few decades, I have learned that it rarely works to grab things if you don’t actually touch them

can you elaborate more on this, I'd like to learn the things I can grab without touching

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@menos @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger I don't think it is copying, insofar as resizing a window from the inside with just the mouse has never been a thing in GNOME in the last three decades as far as I know?

If my eyes do not deceive me (y'all are moving the cursor way too fast), the issue you have here is that the cursor *appears* to be outside the window when initiating the drag but is actually right on the corner, just an illusion due to the rounded corner's transparent part, no?

[rich@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@noheger they've had 40 years to get this wrong

[menos@todon.eu]

@nekohayo @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger Sure, if you know what the underlying implementation does it seems to make sense, but it's far from intuitive. That plate used as a real-world example in the OP's article looks round because it *is* round, so you grab it on its visible rim, not outside of it because some hidden reality causes it to actually be rectangular.

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@nekohayo Nah, it's outside. Read the original article for a good explanation. The crux of the matter is that the clickable areanis still using the square geometry and the rounded corners are just visual flourish.

@menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger

[rich@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@noheger +1000 for staying calm in your blog

[flowinho@chaos.social]

@noheger @timo das is lustig, bei mir verhält sich alles korrekt. Konnte das beschriebene Verhalten nicht reproduzieren. Egal ob Appls eigene Apps, electron-apps oder third-party Apps.

[freediverx@mastodon.social]

@darryl_ramm @noheger
When you put marketers in charge of product design and treat software as a cost center.

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
Below is a video with GNOME's libadwaita, but slowly so we can actually see.
Again: GNOME didn't have draggable inner corners to begin with, even with square corners.

Even at the smallest cursor size I can drag anywhere on the corner's edge, plus generous margins outside. While it'd be neat if you also had an inner margin, edge grabbing *does* work. Personally I've no problems resizing in practice.

P.s.: it's been rounded since 2018, macOS copied us 😏

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@nekohayo I don't see the difference. The point is that you need to drag from outside the window. 🤔

@menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
The difference is that you folks are making a mountain out of a molehill and then @menos blames #GNOME, saying it "can be trusted to copy the stupidest ideas from everybody else"… whereas here it was the other way around, and the behavior in GNOME (& others) has been that way for decades even with square corners (I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to technical limitations too).

This is true for non-GNOME and non-GTK apps too, like LibreOffice, Qt apps, etc.

[matzipan@hachyderm.io]

@nekohayo @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger @menos just checked on Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME and I cannot reproduce. Pulling exactly in the rounded edge works fine. It is true that the pull target is a bit bigger to help. I do not see a problem with that.

[the_wub@mastodon.social]

@farshidhakimy @groxx @phl @noheger The Win 7 laptop I used at work had the Classic "NT4" theme. I have managed to avoid any of the later versions of Windows :)

I have always found opacity in (G)UIs confusing. That and the relatively recent fetish of scroll bars that fade in and out.

Neither of these "features" help me at all.

[groxx@hachyderm.io]

@the_wub @farshidhakimy @phl @noheger yea, win2k was the last Windows UI that I actually liked. I can appreciate some of XP's changes, but I still turned it off whenever I could.

Thankfully scrollbars are still usually force-enable-able. Though it frequently causes UI issues due to changing the available width. What a world.

[gumnos@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@otyugh

I found that alt+drag was used in some applications (particularly GIMP, Inkscape, and Blender) and using alt+{LMB,RMB} masked functionality, so I moved it to Mod4/Logo+drag for zero conflicts.

But yeah, the "hold down a modifier key and drag with the LMB-to-move or RMB-to-resize from *anywhere in the window*" is so much less painful than trying to hit that tiny resize-target.

@noheger

[otyugh@pouet.chapril.org]

@gumnos @noheger It's in 100% of apps when the windows manager is xfwm (and if I trust my declining memory, all openbox forks too)

[fcalva@cyberplace.social]

@noheger At this point the OpenTTD WM is more polished than both Windows' and MacOS' :v