Struggling to resize windows on macOS Tahoe?

[rupertreynolds@hachyderm.io]

@ArjanBos @noheger @siracusa Thanks! I knew I'd had this problem recently, but I couldn't remember where--it was using a friend's laptop that runs #MicroSlop 11.

[glasspusher@beige.party]

@noheger Christ on a cracker. Not upgrading until this nonsense settles out

[alper@rls.social]

@noheger @jonty And I have to believe this company won’t botch something like Passkeys?

[raphaelwimmer@hci.social]

@eliocamp @noheger Which desktop environment / window manager is this?

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@RaphaelWimmer @noheger it's stock Ubuntu, so gnome.

[rusl443@mstdn.social]

@noheger The video with the plate of food 😂

[stairjoke@indieweb.social]

@noheger I have no words to express my state of being after reading this. This is just simply very stupid.

[menos@todon.eu]

@eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger As usual, #GNOME can be trusted to copy the stupidest ideas from everybody else.

[65ghz@toots.nu]

@noheger > Living on this planet for quite a few decades, I have learned that it rarely works to grab things if you don’t actually touch them

can you elaborate more on this, I'd like to learn the things I can grab without touching

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@menos @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger I don't think it is copying, insofar as resizing a window from the inside with just the mouse has never been a thing in GNOME in the last three decades as far as I know?

If my eyes do not deceive me (y'all are moving the cursor way too fast), the issue you have here is that the cursor *appears* to be outside the window when initiating the drag but is actually right on the corner, just an illusion due to the rounded corner's transparent part, no?

[rich@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@noheger they've had 40 years to get this wrong

[menos@todon.eu]

@nekohayo @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger Sure, if you know what the underlying implementation does it seems to make sense, but it's far from intuitive. That plate used as a real-world example in the OP's article looks round because it *is* round, so you grab it on its visible rim, not outside of it because some hidden reality causes it to actually be rectangular.

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@nekohayo Nah, it's outside. Read the original article for a good explanation. The crux of the matter is that the clickable areanis still using the square geometry and the rounded corners are just visual flourish.

@menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger

[rich@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@noheger +1000 for staying calm in your blog

[flowinho@chaos.social]

@noheger @timo das is lustig, bei mir verhält sich alles korrekt. Konnte das beschriebene Verhalten nicht reproduzieren. Egal ob Appls eigene Apps, electron-apps oder third-party Apps.

[freediverx@mastodon.social]

@darryl_ramm @noheger
When you put marketers in charge of product design and treat software as a cost center.

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
Below is a video with GNOME's libadwaita, but slowly so we can actually see.
Again: GNOME didn't have draggable inner corners to begin with, even with square corners.

Even at the smallest cursor size I can drag anywhere on the corner's edge, plus generous margins outside. While it'd be neat if you also had an inner margin, edge grabbing *does* work. Personally I've no problems resizing in practice.

P.s.: it's been rounded since 2018, macOS copied us 😏

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@nekohayo I don't see the difference. The point is that you need to drag from outside the window. 🤔

@menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
The difference is that you folks are making a mountain out of a molehill and then @menos blames #GNOME, saying it "can be trusted to copy the stupidest ideas from everybody else"… whereas here it was the other way around, and the behavior in GNOME (& others) has been that way for decades even with square corners (I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to technical limitations too).

This is true for non-GNOME and non-GTK apps too, like LibreOffice, Qt apps, etc.

[matzipan@hachyderm.io]

@nekohayo @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger @menos just checked on Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME and I cannot reproduce. Pulling exactly in the rounded edge works fine. It is true that the pull target is a bit bigger to help. I do not see a problem with that.