I've got an odd request.
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@Fran thank you, I appreciate it.
Yeah, I had thought about them doing trains instead, but ruled out Russia - they're British citizens, and that would be incredibly risky for them right now, especially getting into Europe from Russia.
But, I have thought of the possibility of them maybe getting a boat to Vancouver, taking the train from Vancouver to Montreal, staying with us for a little while, before getting on a boat from Montreal (or Nova Scotia or nearby) to somewhere in the UK. To break the journey up and not be stuck on a boat for months.
I'm going to try to get a few routes together, so they have some options and take the route they feel most comfortable with. Gosh, if they could get here for the summer, it would be a great time for them to visit, and possibly the last time they could realistically come here.
@Teaceratops
What a situation to be stuck in! Of all suggestions that I've seen, this one sounds the most feasible. I would expect boats to Vancouver to be frequent. The train Vancouver-Montréal is expensive but what a ride it is! So much better than being stuck on water going halfway around the globe.
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@krans @va2lam @stonebear2 @DamonHD yeah, the US isn't going to be an option either, because of the instability and the risk if health goes bad again. If they need to cross North America, we're going to send them Vancouver > Montreal, as we are in Montreal, and if something happens to them in Canada, I can go and help them, as I am a permanent resident.
But the main problem seems to be, how the heck do we get them off the continent of Australia.
They do also have friends in New Zealand, but again, the Pacific is huge, and we face similar issues in New Zealand too.
I researched a similar question in 2019. I remember that there was an upper age limit for the cargo ship option. Children were completely impossible, so I abandoned the plan and didn't research any further. I seem to remember the age limit was pretty low, maybe 60? Depends on the company of course, and it might have changed. I think it's because there's only minimal medical support on a cargo ship, and the risk of e.g. a heart attack rises with age.
There are around-the-world cruises that stop in Australia and in Europe. That's a completely different price range though!
I guess you could find cruises from Australia to South America. There's definitely lots between South America and Europe. Maybe that's less expensive?
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@lydiaschoch What a problem to be presented with! This is one of the few occasions when I’m glad that I can no longer be put in such a spot.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops probably via boat. Land route is probably not a great idea because of current world politics...
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@janet Hi, I'm not Australian, so I did not know about that train - my quick panicked Google last night said it wasn't possible. Happy to find that it is.
@Teaceratops @janet AFAIK it's still running, eg https://www.journeybeyondrail.com.au/guest-information/timetables/the-indian-pacific-2025-2026-timetable/ . Just note it's not a cheap trip!
if in doubt there are bus services that travel between cities too.
They're gonna spend a week on the trip, but it's definitely doable.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops Any travel insurance company should be able to answer this (if they're worth the money).
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@Teaceratops Passangers on cargo ships are still a thing, I think, though unlikely to be the lap of luxury...
Cruise ships have doctors on board, but cargo ships do not, which is something to consider.
What a nightmare. I'm sorry for your frustrations.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops I don't know if this is of any use but it's still possible to get passage on cargo vessels. I used to have a link to one company and I'm sure there must be more. Might be a bit pricey though. Probably less of a viral Petri dish. Anyway, best of luck.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
As others have noted, there is a quite nice (but not fast) train from Melbourne to Perth, and a perfectly tolerable train from Sydney to Melbourne.
But, that having been said, if they're in their 70s, and still in ICU, they probably won't be fit to travel until much before March anyway.
Insurance company is probably the best placed to make the decision.
@Teaceratops -
@MikeFromLFE @hedders yeah, they have travel insurance, luckily. Also an agreement between AUS and UK which is currently doing some heavy lifting to look after them.
Honestly, wonderful help so far from Australia, best place in the world to be stranded if you're British, to be fair.
@Teaceratops @hedders
The travel insurers will have extensive experience in arranging medical repatriation. They have contracts with companies which do nothing else.
Until the insurance company says 'no' then you should stop worrying and leave it to the experts. -
I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops Would a container ship be an option? Limited numbers of passenger births are available.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops This is a reach, but is there an altitude limit, below which they could safely fly? If so they could hire a small aircraft to get them to a city with a cruise ship departing sooner. From Perth to Singapore, for example.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops I know nothing firsthand, and I apologize if this is useless. But this web site claims to organize travel by cargo ship, and the very first page I saw had a big graphic that said “Travel from UK to Australia by Cargo Ship”.
I hope this is helpful.
https://cargoholidays.com/cargo-ship-travel-cheap-from-europe-to-any-destination
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops last year, @gianluca_grimalda made it from Papau new Guinea back to Italy by freighter etc
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
Some merchant vessels can take a few fee paying passengers. The vessels that do this are never oil tankers, but container ships often have space for a few passenger cabins. It’s pretty luxury travel, so not cheap. You’d need to check with a company like Maersk if they have a suitable ship going Australia to UK and dates.
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops lot of good suggestions downthread, but honestly I think the surface travel options that would get them out before March are quite grueling for anyone whose health is delicate. Best option might be to recover on the east coast until March (hopefully they've left the hospital within that timeframe) and join the cruise
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops Take a boat. Might have to learn sailing, first. Heh-heh. There are freighter companies who accept passengers. It's rather a nice way to travel, although obviously berths are limited.
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@Teaceratops @krans @stonebear2 @DamonHD it is most definitely possible to take the train from Vancouver from Montreal, just takes 4 days.
I would suspect that New Zealand is harder to leave than Australia. And the health treaties may be worse (or better) for UK citizens --- I don't know.
It has to be a boat, which basically seems to mean a cruise ship these days. (Another thing about cargo vessels is that they don't have doctors, so probably not actually an option even if it were possible to get a ticket).
@va2lam @Teaceratops @krans @stonebear2 @DamonHD Yeah, when I was looking into one company (Hamburg to South Africa) the passengers had to be under a certain age limit and have a physician's certificate that they are healthy enough to travel for a month without medical care. Also, cargo ships do not take care of passengers' dietary needs (but do stock the onboard shop with their preferred brands of cigarettes) 🙄
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops@peoplemaking.games maybe the british embassy to australia can help? this seems to me to be in their purview
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I've got an odd request.
Does anyone have any idea how to get from Australia to the UK, without flying?
My in-laws are currently stuck on the east coast of Australia. One of them got very sick on a cruise. And long story short. They have been told they cannot fly ever again. It's too risky for what has happened, they're in the ICU - recovering, feeling better, but cannot fly ever again.
Hubs might have to go over there for a couple of months to help them out (his studio has a studio in the city they are in. This is the easy part).
They are looking at getting on another cruise ship, but the next one is in March, and if they miss that. They're stuck there even longer.
So, I am making a request to see if anyone knows if there is any other possible way to get them back to the UK without using planes.
The in-laws are in their late 70s, so there may be some limitations (they are obviously not going to be fit to help out on a catamaran or something).
Please share!
@Teaceratops Hi,
I'm not really in a position to be of much help, but...
Have you looked into Cargo Cruising? Its where your parents could travel as passengers on Cargo Ships. The Medical situation would possibly complicate matters -- as much as, if not more than, a cruise ship -- but its a feasible method of long distance slow travel.
From memory of a trip a friend took to Hong Kong, the route would be $AUSTRALIA (If they could get to Brisbane, that would make the sea travel shorter) to Singapore, then Singapore-Suez, finally Suez-Southampton or similar commercial port.
It all takes about 4 weeks from Singapore, so its a long term commitment, and the amenities, while perfectly functional, are basic.