@nazokiyoubinbou @Viss Exactly

[lfzz@mastodon.social]

@theodric @Viss

[cobweb@corteximplant.com]

@Viss y’all need any ops, devops, sysadmin or other help, or know someone who’s looking to hire?

[viss@mastodon.social]

@cobweb its possible! at present there is nothing on the radar, but nearly every customer we speak with "needs SOMEONE", so its good to know folks who need the work.

conversely, if you know shops that could use some security architecture, consulting, advisory, vciso type work, definitely let me know! every engagement we do results in 'remediation guidance', which in many cases involves pointing out how to build a soc or a blueteam

[cobweb@corteximplant.com]

@Viss thanks brotha, it’s a jungle out there

[viss@mastodon.social]

@cobweb yes it is

[stefan@stefanbohacek.online]

@Viss Ah, to be fair, asking for features isn't as easy here either, note that these two requests are from 2020 and 2018, respectively.

*But*, to be also fair, implementing many useful features requires careful coordination of multiple platforms to ensure things work properly. And there is very little money to fund such work.

So, all in all, I do agree with your sentiment, I certainly feel like we have a lot more power to affect change here, for sure!

[ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org]

@Viss Yep... I learned this the hard way. You can't convince people with logical reasoning when their decision was made via emotions.

[polyonomous1@infosec.exchange]

@Viss couldnt agree with you more. You can't tell someone something they can't hear

[viss@mastodon.social]

@ai6yr or if theyre brainwashed, or part of a cult, etc yep

[h2onolan@infosec.exchange]

@ai6yr @Viss loud, public shame and derision are effective tools

[viss@mastodon.social]

@h2onolan @ai6yr if they have some kinda impactful result, absolutely. if it means someone gets fired, or loses an election, or loses funding, or all their customers go away - yep.

but right now we live in a time where you point at the nazi, and everyone watches them do some nazi shit, and then they just go back to giving them money.

calling a spade a spade is no longer enough to make changes happen.

[davemwilburn@infosec.exchange]

@Viss

I've heard of some successful deradicalization strategies, but they all seem unreliable and unscalable and require the patience of a saint. Basically, you have to invest months or years into earning their trust, withholding judgment even when they do or say the most ludicrous nonsense, and hope that at some point they'll realize the errors of their ways on their own terms and want to confide in you. Unfortunately, deradicalization takes orders of magnitude more time and energy than their initial radicalization, and they have to want it.

[chillicampari@layer8.space]

@Viss agreed. At one time I thought once people had the data|tools|resources that I presumed was missing- people would of course realize the irrationality of their argument or behavior. I was 100% wrong.

[cityhallin@infosec.exchange]

@Viss Fact: Humans do the weirdest shit for the weirdest reasons.

[h2onolan@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @ai6yr yes, very difficult. And once you start actively removing nazis and nazi adjacent and nazi collaborators from your life and commerce you find the options for everything are limited

[viss@mastodon.social]

@h2onolan @ai6yr lots of time for making hotsauce now :D

[da_667@infosec.exchange]

@Viss ^{squirt of lemon}

[suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io]

@DaveMWilburn sounds a lot like addiction medicine.
@Viss

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 there are so many gifs in here. i wish i could get access to the sourcecode for gif brewery 3

[viss@mastodon.social]

@suzannealdrich @DaveMWilburn thats the "sunk cost" fallacy. the hope that things will go your way just because you put so much time and effort into it