ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead.
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
@hosford42 i think it highly depends on how much change we're speaking of here and how many and how much people are involved.
i find the law enforcement as a structure that has been built to support hierarchy and inequality, because it rests on backing up the will of the ruling class by violence against the citizens. also it doesn't address the causes of crime. to make this system different one would have to transform it until it is no longer recognizable.
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
They resign because the systems are so fundamentally broken and enables such egregious levels of corruption that it's way too much for one person to fight it and it's just easier to resign.
Having been in public safety before, I have witnessed firsthand as well as been on the receiving end of such egregious levels of corruption. The level of stress was severe enough to cause me PTSD.
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@hosford42 i think it highly depends on how much change we're speaking of here and how many and how much people are involved.
i find the law enforcement as a structure that has been built to support hierarchy and inequality, because it rests on backing up the will of the ruling class by violence against the citizens. also it doesn't address the causes of crime. to make this system different one would have to transform it until it is no longer recognizable.
@hosford42 i admire it when people try to change things from within, but there's only so much leeway you can get to change things when a system that necessitated said things to happen is still in place. the rich and the government benefit from having the police, from being able to arrest protesters and throw them in jail, spy on its citizens and so on and so forth.
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian Once upon a time there was a good cop. His name was Christopher Dorner. There quite probably have been others but you don't hear their names because they don't successfully fight back against their erasure when the system invariably expels them for not violating their principles, or, they adjust their principles and become bastard cops.
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@hosford42 i admire it when people try to change things from within, but there's only so much leeway you can get to change things when a system that necessitated said things to happen is still in place. the rich and the government benefit from having the police, from being able to arrest protesters and throw them in jail, spy on its citizens and so on and so forth.
therefore any attempts at radical change are going to be kneecapped without strong, massive action. and if change happens, whatever comes out on the other end might not be even right to call police at all. it probably would focus on restorative action rather than punitive and it would have to look very differently.
forgive if i am incoherent it's kinda 2 am here, but my point is, how much can you polish something before it stops being a turd?
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therefore any attempts at radical change are going to be kneecapped without strong, massive action. and if change happens, whatever comes out on the other end might not be even right to call police at all. it probably would focus on restorative action rather than punitive and it would have to look very differently.
forgive if i am incoherent it's kinda 2 am here, but my point is, how much can you polish something before it stops being a turd?
@hosford42 like at which point the consequences of someone's active participation in an unjust system become outweighed by the change they made? i hardly feel like one person can do this even if they're really sincere about it. and should they really be a part of said system to be able to change it?
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
you can be a perfectly kind good person and still work a bastard job because said job needs some kind of inequality or oppression or injustice to exist
you can be the sweetest landlord ever but it's still a bastard occupation to have, because you make money by benefiting from a system where housing is not a right but a commodity to be paywalled
that's the crux of the problem. it's not about you as an individual, it's about you in relation to society
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They resign because the systems are so fundamentally broken and enables such egregious levels of corruption that it's way too much for one person to fight it and it's just easier to resign.
Having been in public safety before, I have witnessed firsthand as well as been on the receiving end of such egregious levels of corruption. The level of stress was severe enough to cause me PTSD.
@someguy @hosford42 @mynameistillian
They resign or sometimes are just straight up killed. A few years back an LAPD officer who was investigating rape accusations against other officers was beaten to death by his fellow officers "by accident" in a "training exercise". -
@someguy @hosford42 @mynameistillian
They resign or sometimes are just straight up killed. A few years back an LAPD officer who was investigating rape accusations against other officers was beaten to death by his fellow officers "by accident" in a "training exercise".also this.
even if you are trying to make positive change, a lot of people in the police *revel* in cruelty they do. they *like* it. they don't give a shit. some of them themselves walk over the laws that they would toss anybody in the jail for life for. and a lot of cops have a twisted sense of solidarity in the sense that they cover each other's cruel acts up
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian also, their parents weren't married at the time of their conception
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@mynameistillian also, their parents weren't married at the time of their conception
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also this.
even if you are trying to make positive change, a lot of people in the police *revel* in cruelty they do. they *like* it. they don't give a shit. some of them themselves walk over the laws that they would toss anybody in the jail for life for. and a lot of cops have a twisted sense of solidarity in the sense that they cover each other's cruel acts up
@mynameistillian @artemis @someguy Thanks, all, for explaining
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@mynameistillian @artemis @someguy Thanks, all, for explaining
@hosford42 @artemis @someguy anytime, friend 🩵
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian People turning into Agents in The Matrix was a metaphor
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@mynameistillian I have a genuine question: What about those who would seek change from within? When I see officials resigning because of something awful, I always wonder why they don't stay on and fight against it, instead of handing the reins to someone who is blatantly malevolent. It's the same sort of deal here, from my perspective.
@hosford42@techhub.social @mynameistillian@plush.city ur question is basically answered by op. its not that the guy is a bastard (many extremely radical political views still study the struggles of cops as part of the working class), it's just the role they're playing by being a cop. they can still do whatever is in their means as a person, but at the end of the day they clock in to bastard office to be a bastard.
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you can be a perfectly kind good person and still work a bastard job because said job needs some kind of inequality or oppression or injustice to exist
you can be the sweetest landlord ever but it's still a bastard occupation to have, because you make money by benefiting from a system where housing is not a right but a commodity to be paywalled
that's the crux of the problem. it's not about you as an individual, it's about you in relation to society
oh god i am afraid to go to sleep after posting this, i feel like some holy war is gonna start in the replies lmao
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oh god i am afraid to go to sleep after posting this, i feel like some holy war is gonna start in the replies lmao
you all better not do shit while i am on my beauty nap
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you all better not do shit while i am on my beauty nap
@mynameistillian I won't (since those are very valid points). I might read later with popcorn. Though I hope it does not come to that.
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ACAB doesn't mean every single cop on an individual level is a morally bankrupt shithead. (a lot of them are, but that's beside the point).
even if you are the kindest samaritan cop in the world who never hurt a fly, being a cop means that you are a part of the system that is designed for violence, for oppression and inequality and has a long bigoted history that spans to this day. you choose to associate with it, even if you don't realize the implications.
@mynameistillian They're all morally bankrupt bastards and the proof is in the lack of whistleblower data.
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@mynameistillian They're all morally bankrupt bastards and the proof is in the lack of whistleblower data.
@old_angry_queer yeah. those who aren't are either dead or they leave
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The only other thing I can think of are forced anti-features, like mandatory advertising, mandatory algorithmic feeds, or forced participation in LLM training.
Are there other things I'm missing?
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@julian @silverpill @slyborg I wonder, though: what would be some changes that would worry you, though? I'm having a hard time imagining what they would be.
The best I can come up with are features that are too complex for small development teams (e.g. oodles of mandatory APIs), or too resource intensive for small instances to support (e.g. required to handle terabytes of big data).
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@julian @silverpill @slyborg the changes I have marked for the next version are here.
https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22Next%20version%22
I know there are some on there that Silverpill won't like, such as supporting IRIs for object IDs. I think it's worth having that conversation.
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@julian @silverpill @slyborg most importantly: no protocol is mandatory. No protocol revision is mandatory. If the work the WG does isn't useful, nobody has to implement it.
