TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in.
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@jwildeboer @dalias I wonder how much it varies between companies - like if traditional manufacturers are still at least trying to build to last (within the limits of designs these days), while more techbro-derived manufacturers lean harder into planned obsolescence to try to impose short upgrade cycles..
@pstewart @jwildeboer My impression is that traditional US manufacturers like Ford have fully embraced the private equity philosophy (pivot to enshittification milking the brand name until it's dry) but Honda and Toyota and the likes might (?) still be making quality stuff. In any case I'd opt for a 20-30 yo car over any of them.
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@jwildeboer @JYeo18 I never said anything like that.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
My 6 year old EV still has 100% battery SOH. It’s almost always charged from a plain wall socket and we live in a temperate climate.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
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@jwildeboer @JYeo18 I never said anything like that.
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@IronManIV @jwildeboer Unfortunately, a lot of the cost of a car is the frame and body, and techniques which have dramatically lowered the cost of entry have also dramatically increased the cost of repair. Unibody construction is simpler and cheaper (and lower-rattle, etc.) than body-on-chassis-on-frame, but if it bends in a collision, good luck straightening it out and restoring it to spec strength.
@bob_zim @jwildeboer Yes, I would agree current designs are not designed for longevity. I am very concerned about all of the gadget grade electronics. I expect the nightmare of things like the Apple Carplay compatibility nightmare to get worse. The tendency has been to load up all cars with gadgets.
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The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
@jwildeboer I love Rory Sutherlands take on this —> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OTOKws45kCo
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The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
@jwildeboer Well done on the replies to some of the characters on this thread. Your patience and tolerance for ... is commendable.
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
@jwildeboer Sadly my first EV was a lemon: 2016 Kia Soul EV that was down to 55% of its rated capacity in less than 4 years (note this is not based on reported range, but measurements of power draw to charge from 0% to 100% with an ANSI C12.20 certified energy meter). Kia refused to honor the warranty on the vehicle so I had to offload it at a loss since I couldn't even complete my commute without stopping to charge.
Now of course there's a new problem: I want an EV *without* the constant-on surveillance and data capture. The only option I see for that is doing my own conversion of an ICE vehicle (which is getting easier and easier these days, fortunately).
It would be so nice to have a single cab full bed EV pickup out here...
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The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
@jwildeboer (most) people don’t handle change well and cars seen to be an especially emotional subject 🤷🏼♂️
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The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
@jwildeboer My biggest issue with EVs is that most of the journeys they replace could easily be short walks, bike rides, or public transportation trips. EVs are definitely better than ICE vehicles though.
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The amount of truly weird arguments to defend NOT being interested in switching to an EV in the replies is stunning.
Paraphrasing:
- Electric cars will self-ignite after 10 years, that's just a fact.
- Electric cars that have been on the market for less than 10 years have not proven to be as reliable as my 35+ years old car so it's a no
- Something, something surveillance that seems to only exist in EVs
- Do they support Apple CarPlay?Definitely stunning.
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Paraphrasing:
- Electric cars will self-ignite after 10 years, that's just a fact.
- Electric cars that have been on the market for less than 10 years have not proven to be as reliable as my 35+ years old car so it's a no
- Something, something surveillance that seems to only exist in EVs
- Do they support Apple CarPlay?Definitely stunning.
(I love my EV).
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Mmm… ice cubes…
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@ConspiracyOfCartographers "I've got the ugliest vehicle on Earth, what's next?"
"Well, you could add a poorly-made campertop that accentuates the vehicle's basic failure in design."
"Brilliant!"
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Io ricolma di ansia che mi metto a preparare i pancake alle undici di domenica sera.
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What is that metal shark doing to that weird ice machine?
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@ConspiracyOfCartographers I sincerely hope that thing on the back is aftermarket. The fit and finish are fucking horrendous. And so's the turd under it. 💩
