Am I the only one who's got the impression that font rendering looks smoother and crisper under Wayland than it does under Xorg?
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Am I the only one who's got the impression that font rendering looks smoother and crisper under Wayland than it does under Xorg? I think Xorg meets more the BSD-spirit, and I would really prefer using it, but epecially when it comes to HiRes displays advantage seems to be on Wayland's side.
I tried both several times but found that most fonts and apps look better on Wayland when upscaling than they do under Xorg. And getting good results seems to me more cumbersome on Xorg than on Wayland. Still looking for the ultimate howto that tells me how to get perfect results on 4K displays by tweaking the configs.
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Am I the only one who's got the impression that font rendering looks smoother and crisper under Wayland than it does under Xorg? I think Xorg meets more the BSD-spirit, and I would really prefer using it, but epecially when it comes to HiRes displays advantage seems to be on Wayland's side.
I tried both several times but found that most fonts and apps look better on Wayland when upscaling than they do under Xorg. And getting good results seems to me more cumbersome on Xorg than on Wayland. Still looking for the ultimate howto that tells me how to get perfect results on 4K displays by tweaking the configs.
@NebulaTide My issue is there are still apps that crash under wayland. Specifically this hits me with FreeCAD and my own for-fun developed python+panda3d (opengl / 3d graphics) apps. I don't know if it's still a thing, but MS teams (linux version) couldn't share screens under wayland either. There are some gaping holes that no one has been rushing to fill. Maybe if gnome and everyone else completely switches over to wayland it will force these issues to the front and someone(?) will fix them, but that invokes a lot of pain in the mean time. It can take months/years for these things to get fixed and make it into the release pipeline. And when I say crash ... I don't mean the app bombs out and you have to open your file again ... the entire system locks up hard and forces a power cycle to recover. The OS/window system should never do that, but it can happen quite reliably for me when I run FreeCAD. I may have to stop complaining about windows blue screen of death (which frankly I haven't seen in years.)
I have taken to running these special apps that completely wipe out wayland and my system ... running them in a virtual machine and for whatever reason that seems to be more robust ... but I shouldn't have to do that.
Anyhow, that's my complaint with wayland .... it's got some stuff that no one is rushing to fix, but it hits me hard.
Edit: and I miss being able to run remote X11 apps ... I don't think many people think about that any more though. We primarily run local apps locally and so issues of appearance seem to dominate the discussion ... and appearance is important, but so is not crashing your system hard and forcing a power cycle to restart.
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Am I the only one who's got the impression that font rendering looks smoother and crisper under Wayland than it does under Xorg? I think Xorg meets more the BSD-spirit, and I would really prefer using it, but epecially when it comes to HiRes displays advantage seems to be on Wayland's side.
I tried both several times but found that most fonts and apps look better on Wayland when upscaling than they do under Xorg. And getting good results seems to me more cumbersome on Xorg than on Wayland. Still looking for the ultimate howto that tells me how to get perfect results on 4K displays by tweaking the configs.
@NebulaTide If Wayland supports it yet (they didn't last time I checked, but you never know - they switch gears often), I would suggest checking your GPU and monitor settings for proper EDID data, modeline support, vsync, anti-aliasing, and hardware drivers (DRM type, sysctl flag support, etc).
I've tried Wayland about every quarter, using different OS options on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel based systems, but every time the result is that I can't use Wayland due to its lack of support for supercomputing/HPC cluster access requirements, specifically network protocol aspects which the Wayland devs have decided are wholly unimportant to the feature set, along with a few other personal concerns that I have with the approach they've taken to community feedback and dismissal of core engineering principles.
Maybe when they take professionals seriously they will get more positive feedback instead of trying to force their ideological path into the OS default mode use case. They also ignore accessibility requirements for many disabled people which Xorg has served dutifully for decades. I don't appreciate that kind of disregard for disabled people, but they don't care.
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@NebulaTide My issue is there are still apps that crash under wayland. Specifically this hits me with FreeCAD and my own for-fun developed python+panda3d (opengl / 3d graphics) apps. I don't know if it's still a thing, but MS teams (linux version) couldn't share screens under wayland either. There are some gaping holes that no one has been rushing to fill. Maybe if gnome and everyone else completely switches over to wayland it will force these issues to the front and someone(?) will fix them, but that invokes a lot of pain in the mean time. It can take months/years for these things to get fixed and make it into the release pipeline. And when I say crash ... I don't mean the app bombs out and you have to open your file again ... the entire system locks up hard and forces a power cycle to recover. The OS/window system should never do that, but it can happen quite reliably for me when I run FreeCAD. I may have to stop complaining about windows blue screen of death (which frankly I haven't seen in years.)
I have taken to running these special apps that completely wipe out wayland and my system ... running them in a virtual machine and for whatever reason that seems to be more robust ... but I shouldn't have to do that.
Anyhow, that's my complaint with wayland .... it's got some stuff that no one is rushing to fix, but it hits me hard.
Edit: and I miss being able to run remote X11 apps ... I don't think many people think about that any more though. We primarily run local apps locally and so issues of appearance seem to dominate the discussion ... and appearance is important, but so is not crashing your system hard and forcing a power cycle to restart.
@clolsonus @NebulaTide absolutely agree there, those lock ups have been very disruptive to enterprise use of Linux workstations. my daily driver doesn't get rebooted more often than once per month unless there's a hardware problem — Wayland is the single most effective way to force a reboot in that respect. it can take an hour to setup the workstation tooling after that happens, which is especially not agreeable to multiple forced reboots per day. Wayland is not stable.
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@clolsonus @NebulaTide absolutely agree there, those lock ups have been very disruptive to enterprise use of Linux workstations. my daily driver doesn't get rebooted more often than once per month unless there's a hardware problem — Wayland is the single most effective way to force a reboot in that respect. it can take an hour to setup the workstation tooling after that happens, which is especially not agreeable to multiple forced reboots per day. Wayland is not stable.
@winterschon @clolsonus I know that Wayland is not stable and I would really like to go back to good old Xorg if there wasn’t the issue with blurry font’s and scaling on 4K displays. I am grateful for every workaround but couldn’t find any so far.
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