I am begging companies to test out their interview questions, especially the coding tests, on their own senior people as calibration, before using them as a gauge for hiring new folks.
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I am begging companies to test out their interview questions, especially the coding tests, on their own senior people as calibration, before using them as a gauge for hiring new folks. An awful lot of them are functionally just random-number generators.
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I am begging companies to test out their interview questions, especially the coding tests, on their own senior people as calibration, before using them as a gauge for hiring new folks. An awful lot of them are functionally just random-number generators.
Like - I get the "we're just testing basic skills" to spot people who are essentially lying. Fine, so make the test literally trivial. Read some numbers, find their mean, done.
Or there's the "we want something to start a conversation". OK, so don't have an actual answer (or at least not one that is sane). Ask them to make a program that plays checkers, write it in an hour, and be clear that there isn't going to be a "right answer" in just an hour.
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Like - I get the "we're just testing basic skills" to spot people who are essentially lying. Fine, so make the test literally trivial. Read some numbers, find their mean, done.
Or there's the "we want something to start a conversation". OK, so don't have an actual answer (or at least not one that is sane). Ask them to make a program that plays checkers, write it in an hour, and be clear that there isn't going to be a "right answer" in just an hour.
@TomF "using whatever language/compiler/framework you are most comfortable with, implement Tetris/space invaders/pac man."
If you want coders, that is. -
@TomF "using whatever language/compiler/framework you are most comfortable with, implement Tetris/space invaders/pac man."
If you want coders, that is.@StompyRobot The problem is that's at least a week of work. Unreasonable request.
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@StompyRobot The problem is that's at least a week of work. Unreasonable request.
@TomF @StompyRobot the one i did for massive back in da day was 'fix this pacman game' which mostly worked but had some more or less obvious issues. which bridges the gap a bit. might be a bit fun now that people can throw it into an llm and get a half fixed bunch of nonsense out :')
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I am begging companies to test out their interview questions, especially the coding tests, on their own senior people as calibration, before using them as a gauge for hiring new folks. An awful lot of them are functionally just random-number generators.
@TomF Wait you mean senior devs with 15 years of experience don't tend to be reminded in their daily stand-up of the big O complexity of every linked list operation or the exact terminology of [insert academic computer science term that programmers on the field never deal with]?
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@TomF Wait you mean senior devs with 15 years of experience don't tend to be reminded in their daily stand-up of the big O complexity of every linked list operation or the exact terminology of [insert academic computer science term that programmers on the field never deal with]?
@bubbline Heh. One of the verbal questions, they placed increasing constraints on me and were clearly shepherding me to something, and after a bit of confusion I realised - "Oh! You want me to implement a doubly linked list! No, I refuse."
I then explained why this was a terrible solution all round, and that there was a good reason I literally could not remember the last time I used a linked list in actual code.
To their credit they went "yeah, fair enough"
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@bubbline Heh. One of the verbal questions, they placed increasing constraints on me and were clearly shepherding me to something, and after a bit of confusion I realised - "Oh! You want me to implement a doubly linked list! No, I refuse."
I then explained why this was a terrible solution all round, and that there was a good reason I literally could not remember the last time I used a linked list in actual code.
To their credit they went "yeah, fair enough"
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