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@datenwolf @nico I'm using Sway since 2020. I'm glad you were dismissed. Buggy X11 will gone and nobody will care about old garbage.
What bugs though? Xorg is one of the most rock solid pieces of software I run on my systems.
Plus, input handling on Wayland is fundamentally broken (ask any game engine developer).
Also consistent window management is nonexistent (every compositor does its own thing); ask the KiCad developers what that means for their project.
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What bugs though? Xorg is one of the most rock solid pieces of software I run on my systems.
Plus, input handling on Wayland is fundamentally broken (ask any game engine developer).
Also consistent window management is nonexistent (every compositor does its own thing); ask the KiCad developers what that means for their project.
@datenwolf @nico Screen tearing for example. Also I have 0 issues with input in Sway
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@datenwolf @nico Screen tearing for example. Also I have 0 issues with input in Sway
a) Screen tearing is not an X11 problem. It's an Xorg implementation issue.
b) The Wayland way of avoiding screen tearing introduces unavoidable latency; hence latency conscious users – rightfully – revolted resulting in this: https://wayland.app/protocols/tearing-control-v1
c) V-Sync based tearing control is misguided anyway; what you actually want is a feedback mechanism giving you microsecond accurate information of delay between frame submission and presentation scanout, to PLL the render loop.
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a) Screen tearing is not an X11 problem. It's an Xorg implementation issue.
b) The Wayland way of avoiding screen tearing introduces unavoidable latency; hence latency conscious users – rightfully – revolted resulting in this: https://wayland.app/protocols/tearing-control-v1
c) V-Sync based tearing control is misguided anyway; what you actually want is a feedback mechanism giving you microsecond accurate information of delay between frame submission and presentation scanout, to PLL the render loop.
@aeva apologies for dragging you into this convo, but: What's your current state (mentally and development wise) of your project regarding touch input in Wayland?
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico every wayland desktop environment I've tried (kde, gnome, and others) has a hardcoded "touch cancel" event that fires when you press 3 fingers at once even if you have gestures turned off, and as best I can tell there's no central place to fix the problem, every compositor has to be fixed individually. Nobody gave a shit when I filed bugs for it, so I'm planning on having it just trigger a popup that tells the player to go yell at issue trackers for me.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico every wayland desktop environment I've tried (kde, gnome, and others) has a hardcoded "touch cancel" event that fires when you press 3 fingers at once even if you have gestures turned off, and as best I can tell there's no central place to fix the problem, every compositor has to be fixed individually. Nobody gave a shit when I filed bugs for it, so I'm planning on having it just trigger a popup that tells the player to go yell at issue trackers for me.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico as you might imagine, pressing three keys on a virtual midi controller at once and getting all of your active touch presses nullified is not a very good quality for a musical instrument to have. complete clown show.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico as you might imagine, pressing three keys on a virtual midi controller at once and getting all of your active touch presses nullified is not a very good quality for a musical instrument to have. complete clown show.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico I think sway was one of the shells I tried, but I don't remember or really care anymore about wayland at this point.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico I think sway was one of the shells I tried, but I don't remember or really care anymore about wayland at this point.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico time spent fighting with a halfassed slapdash perpetually broken operating system is time not spent working on my games
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico time spent fighting with a halfassed slapdash perpetually broken operating system is time not spent working on my games
@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico critically while windows does not have these specific problems, microsoft has smelled the ripe shit and thought wow we gotta get in on this shit action. from what I hear from the apple fandom, they're getting a similar treatment though they're split on whether or not the shit fountain is a good thing. we're all living in that eiffel 65 song "blue ba da bee" but if you replace all instances of the word "blue" with the word "shit"
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
@aeva Looks like you just shit person's if you see shit everywhere. Try to book an appointment with a psychologist.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico critically while windows does not have these specific problems, microsoft has smelled the ripe shit and thought wow we gotta get in on this shit action. from what I hear from the apple fandom, they're getting a similar treatment though they're split on whether or not the shit fountain is a good thing. we're all living in that eiffel 65 song "blue ba da bee" but if you replace all instances of the word "blue" with the word "shit"
@datenwolf @crandel @nico the only people who seem to be genuinely happy with their computers these days are the haiku os people
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@aeva Looks like you just shit person's if you see shit everywhere. Try to book an appointment with a psychologist.
@crandel if you don't hate your computer you're not really using it
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