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a) Screen tearing is not an X11 problem. It's an Xorg implementation issue.
b) The Wayland way of avoiding screen tearing introduces unavoidable latency; hence latency conscious users – rightfully – revolted resulting in this: https://wayland.app/protocols/tearing-control-v1
c) V-Sync based tearing control is misguided anyway; what you actually want is a feedback mechanism giving you microsecond accurate information of delay between frame submission and presentation scanout, to PLL the render loop.
@aeva apologies for dragging you into this convo, but: What's your current state (mentally and development wise) of your project regarding touch input in Wayland?
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico every wayland desktop environment I've tried (kde, gnome, and others) has a hardcoded "touch cancel" event that fires when you press 3 fingers at once even if you have gestures turned off, and as best I can tell there's no central place to fix the problem, every compositor has to be fixed individually. Nobody gave a shit when I filed bugs for it, so I'm planning on having it just trigger a popup that tells the player to go yell at issue trackers for me.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico every wayland desktop environment I've tried (kde, gnome, and others) has a hardcoded "touch cancel" event that fires when you press 3 fingers at once even if you have gestures turned off, and as best I can tell there's no central place to fix the problem, every compositor has to be fixed individually. Nobody gave a shit when I filed bugs for it, so I'm planning on having it just trigger a popup that tells the player to go yell at issue trackers for me.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico as you might imagine, pressing three keys on a virtual midi controller at once and getting all of your active touch presses nullified is not a very good quality for a musical instrument to have. complete clown show.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico as you might imagine, pressing three keys on a virtual midi controller at once and getting all of your active touch presses nullified is not a very good quality for a musical instrument to have. complete clown show.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico I think sway was one of the shells I tried, but I don't remember or really care anymore about wayland at this point.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico I think sway was one of the shells I tried, but I don't remember or really care anymore about wayland at this point.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico time spent fighting with a halfassed slapdash perpetually broken operating system is time not spent working on my games
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico time spent fighting with a halfassed slapdash perpetually broken operating system is time not spent working on my games
@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
@datenwolf @crandel @nico critically while windows does not have these specific problems, microsoft has smelled the ripe shit and thought wow we gotta get in on this shit action. from what I hear from the apple fandom, they're getting a similar treatment though they're split on whether or not the shit fountain is a good thing. we're all living in that eiffel 65 song "blue ba da bee" but if you replace all instances of the word "blue" with the word "shit"
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico now, datenwolf, I hate to say this but while wayland is complete liquid shit, x11 is also kinda shit. it's just that the shit is problems I can live with right now like vsync not working. sometimes the two are both shit together, like weird high dpi inconsistency issues (really those are QT5's fault I think?). linux is just one big kingdom of shit, where the shit lords sling shit at one another for not eating the right shit the right way.
@aeva Looks like you just shit person's if you see shit everywhere. Try to book an appointment with a psychologist.
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@datenwolf @crandel @nico critically while windows does not have these specific problems, microsoft has smelled the ripe shit and thought wow we gotta get in on this shit action. from what I hear from the apple fandom, they're getting a similar treatment though they're split on whether or not the shit fountain is a good thing. we're all living in that eiffel 65 song "blue ba da bee" but if you replace all instances of the word "blue" with the word "shit"
@datenwolf @crandel @nico the only people who seem to be genuinely happy with their computers these days are the haiku os people
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@aeva Looks like you just shit person's if you see shit everywhere. Try to book an appointment with a psychologist.
@crandel if you don't hate your computer you're not really using it
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