I'm listening to the Search Engine episode that birthed the #forkiverse, and I have questions.
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I'm listening to the Search Engine episode that birthed the #forkiverse, and I have questions. I'm morbidly curious about the server's configuration, since they handed that over to an AI that apparently neglected to configure them for SSL. But mostly I wonder how long their funding will last, since they're expensing it to their publisher.
Maybe that all gets cleared up later in the episode.
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I'm listening to the Search Engine episode that birthed the #forkiverse, and I have questions. I'm morbidly curious about the server's configuration, since they handed that over to an AI that apparently neglected to configure them for SSL. But mostly I wonder how long their funding will last, since they're expensing it to their publisher.
Maybe that all gets cleared up later in the episode.
I'm also curious as to how much they're involving OpenAI Operator in the moderation and administration of the site. Apparently, they relied on it so heavily in setting up the server that the account registration and approval process came as a total surprise to everyone involved.
Maybe more critically, what's their federation policy? Do they have a clear idea of how bad it can get out there if you're not diligent about blocking malicious servers?
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I'm also curious as to how much they're involving OpenAI Operator in the moderation and administration of the site. Apparently, they relied on it so heavily in setting up the server that the account registration and approval process came as a total surprise to everyone involved.
Maybe more critically, what's their federation policy? Do they have a clear idea of how bad it can get out there if you're not diligent about blocking malicious servers?
I don't want to blow the potential issues out of proportion. All new instances face unexpected challenges, particularly if their admins are also finding their way around the fediverse. Though I really do think the longevity question is the most critical from the perspective of the health of the fediverse. The forkiverse has brought 2k new people onto the network, and it would be a shame to lose them just because the operators or their employer decided that the experiment was no longer worth funding.
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I don't want to blow the potential issues out of proportion. All new instances face unexpected challenges, particularly if their admins are also finding their way around the fediverse. Though I really do think the longevity question is the most critical from the perspective of the health of the fediverse. The forkiverse has brought 2k new people onto the network, and it would be a shame to lose them just because the operators or their employer decided that the experiment was no longer worth funding.
Excellent questions that @caseynewton should probably answer.
Certainly drives to the heart of one's Fedizen responsibilities.
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Excellent questions that @caseynewton should probably answer.
Certainly drives to the heart of one's Fedizen responsibilities.
@mastodonmigration "what is your plan for funding this project in perpetuity" is the exact sort of wet-blanket energy that discourages people from building on the Fediverse! Let’s let people run experiments and try to have some fun
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@mastodonmigration "what is your plan for funding this project in perpetuity" is the exact sort of wet-blanket energy that discourages people from building on the Fediverse! Let’s let people run experiments and try to have some fun
Fair enough. Asked and answered.
So, the #Forkiverse is kind of like a "pop-up" instance. Interesting premise.
cc: @lrhodes
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@mastodonmigration "what is your plan for funding this project in perpetuity" is the exact sort of wet-blanket energy that discourages people from building on the Fediverse! Let’s let people run experiments and try to have some fun
@caseynewton @mastodonmigration Which is fine, if everyone involved in your experiment knows that it's an experiment and that it might not be around forever. If they don't, it's another matter.
Looking at https://theforkiverse.com/about , which is where people who want to create an account will go, there's no indication that this is 'running an experiment' and that their new home on the fedi might not be around forever.
It was a genuine question by someone who's been on the fediverse -
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@caseynewton @mastodonmigration Which is fine, if everyone involved in your experiment knows that it's an experiment and that it might not be around forever. If they don't, it's another matter.
Looking at https://theforkiverse.com/about , which is where people who want to create an account will go, there's no indication that this is 'running an experiment' and that their new home on the fedi might not be around forever.
It was a genuine question by someone who's been on the fediverse -
@caseynewton @mastodonmigration - long enough to see instances that had been around for years suddenly vanish when their admins ran out of money, or didn't have the time or capacity to run the instance any more.
You could have just answered the question, but you chose to be a dick, which I guess says enough :)
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@mastodonmigration "what is your plan for funding this project in perpetuity" is the exact sort of wet-blanket energy that discourages people from building on the Fediverse! Let’s let people run experiments and try to have some fun
@caseynewton @mastodonmigration Speaking as someone who's experienced a stovetop pan fire... wet blanket energy is good actually, in certain circumstances... burning vegetable oil in your kitchen is not sustainable in the medium term
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@caseynewton @mastodonmigration - long enough to see instances that had been around for years suddenly vanish when their admins ran out of money, or didn't have the time or capacity to run the instance any more.
You could have just answered the question, but you chose to be a dick, which I guess says enough :)
@welshpixie yeah i'm the one being the dick here for sure
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@welshpixie yeah i'm the one being the dick here for sure
@caseynewton You're shaming people for asking with good reason about whether there are any longevity plans.
If the answer is 'no', that's fine! As long as everyone involved knows that. It's not a trick question and it's not meant to discourage you, or anyone, from experimenting.
Responding to that question by having a little strop is a very clear indication that you're just like every other privileged white guy techbro in that you don't want to have to think about consequences.
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@caseynewton You're shaming people for asking with good reason about whether there are any longevity plans.
If the answer is 'no', that's fine! As long as everyone involved knows that. It's not a trick question and it's not meant to discourage you, or anyone, from experimenting.
Responding to that question by having a little strop is a very clear indication that you're just like every other privileged white guy techbro in that you don't want to have to think about consequences.
@welshpixie you are an absolute parody of the median Mastodon account and the reason the Fediverse is generally perceived to be a joyless hellscape
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@welshpixie you are an absolute parody of the median Mastodon account and the reason the Fediverse is generally perceived to be a joyless hellscape
Casey, you decided to be an asshole about reasonable questions, politely stated. Don’t resort to crude stereotypes.
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I don't want to blow the potential issues out of proportion. All new instances face unexpected challenges, particularly if their admins are also finding their way around the fediverse. Though I really do think the longevity question is the most critical from the perspective of the health of the fediverse. The forkiverse has brought 2k new people onto the network, and it would be a shame to lose them just because the operators or their employer decided that the experiment was no longer worth funding.
Anyway, since I am, for some reason 🧐, no longer feeling particularly generous about it, I'll point out that there are literally thousands of experienced admins, as well as some highly credentialed tech researchers, they could have talked to about the process of setting up a fediverse server, which seems like a pretty basic way to go about journalism, and instead they asked Claude AI how to do it.
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