Brilliant news!
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@OneInterestingFact @Photo55 @Edent a 3kw immersion element doesn't have to be run at a continuous 3kw
But more importantly most homes have a small continuous power draw for things like fridges and devices on standby
A small solar panel will avoid having to pay for much of this power.
The smaller the solar setup the less "problem" there is with "excess" free power.
So a small cheap setup is likely to be highly utilised without storage.
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@raymaccarthy you do know the UK hugely subsidises solar, right?
And that new-builds will have solar by default. That's already law.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rooftop-solar-for-new-builds-to-save-people-money
I've got to ask, why are you such a doomer about this good news?
Meanwhile, due to leaseholds and the seeming lack of reform on their rules, despite initial optimism, I still can't get solar anywhere near the roof of the flat I own. -
Meanwhile, due to leaseholds and the seeming lack of reform on their rules, despite initial optimism, I still can't get solar anywhere near the roof of the flat I own.
@matthewcroughan @raymaccarthy
Yes, that's the point of this proposal. You'll be able to hang them on your flat's balcony, or our a window. No need to drill into your roof. -
@matthewcroughan @raymaccarthy
Yes, that's the point of this proposal. You'll be able to hang them on your flat's balcony, or our a window. No need to drill into your roof.Oh, perfect! I was wondering when this was coming to the UK. Please God let this pass. -
Oh, perfect! I was wondering when this was coming to the UK. Please God let this pass.
@matthewcroughan I strongly recommend writing to your MP to let them know you're in favour of it.
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@Edent
For anyone reading this who thinks "you can't buy plugin solar panels from Lidl!" here's a link to Lidl Germany where that is definitely a thing:https://www.lidl.de/h/stromerzeuger/h10031840?pageId=10067761%2F10067532%2F10031840&sort=price
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@gundersen no, we just let people die.
Of course they are considered. All inverters continually check for the presence of the grid's frequency. If the frequency is lost, it immediately de-energises.
@Edent haha, good to know you think of the people 🤣
I'm just sharing the objections of the Norwegian government. Is there a legal requirement for the balcony panels to have that kind of inverter? There doesn't seem to be an EU law, apparently. It would be good if we could just copy your laws, seeing as my government is mortally afraid of taking any decision on their own, but European champions in copying others laws
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@OneInterestingFact @Edent Ideally, you use the battery to store your own solar production over the day to use in the evening. If your panels cannot fill the entire battery, you fill the rest with cheap energy from the grid (requires a variable energy tariff, of course). Such a setup should usually amortise within a few years. But 4.4kWp is already quite massive. That's not a plug-in panel for your balcony I suppose.
I'm still looking at TOU tariffs - I'm sure I could make bigger savings but it's a question of how quickly the initial cost would be repaid. For the sake of simplicity I currently assume all solar is exported though my spreadsheets do allow me to estimate self use savings.
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@OneInterestingFact @Photo55 @Edent I think the major hot water source in uk is still gas-fired boiler.
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Brilliant news! The UK's Labour Government are going to make "plug in solar" legal.
Grab some panels from Lidl, hang them off your balcony or out your window, plug them in to your mains. Done!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-go-further-and-faster-in-becoming-energy-secure
@Edent don’t you still need a bi directional meter to use solar with your mains? Idk if it’s different there but here in the states almost nobody has those by default and has to get them swapped. We can’t just plug a solar panel in and call it a day
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@OneInterestingFact @Photo55 @Edent I think the major hot water source in uk is still gas-fired boiler.
@annehargreaves @Photo55 @Edent
I'm sure you're right. Mostly with instantaneous hw.
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@Christo_459 You should write to your MP and assembly member to let them know your concerns.
But, it looks like you can apply for consent for a listed building.
https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/technical-advice/building-services-engineering/installing-photovoltaics/consents-permissions/@Edent @Christo_459 You can in theory but unlikely to be worth it for plug-in if your local authority wants you to do a planning application.
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@Edent don’t you still need a bi directional meter to use solar with your mains? Idk if it’s different there but here in the states almost nobody has those by default and has to get them swapped. We can’t just plug a solar panel in and call it a day
@officialdeathscythe Yes and no.
All smart meters support bi-directional power - although you'll need to tell your supplier so they can pay you properly.If you have an old meter, it will spin backwards. See my video at https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2013/12/free-money-from-the-sky/
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@Edent @Christo_459 You can in theory but unlikely to be worth it for plug-in if your local authority wants you to do a planning application.
@annehargreaves @Christo_459
Sure, but you lose nothing by asking.As ever, people need to engage with their local politicians rather than just feeling hopeless or ranting on the Internet.
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Brilliant news! The UK's Labour Government are going to make "plug in solar" legal.
Grab some panels from Lidl, hang them off your balcony or out your window, plug them in to your mains. Done!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-go-further-and-faster-in-becoming-energy-secure
@Edent
A great idea. I can't put solar on my grade 2 listed cottage. If this means I can put some in the garden, it's brilliant news. -
@Edent
No, that's nonsense.Talk to an electrician and look at power of panel.
A typical 400W panel only gives that for a few hours each day in clear sky in Jun/Jul. A cheap "balcony" system is 1/2 that.
Maybe 10W to 40W at noon in Dec/Jan on average.
Without a battery you can't use ANY of the 400W if the mains supply fails.
You don't plug anything into the battery!
You plug into the inverter or inverter/UPS. The Electricity companies don't pay well for the Solar to grid!
Oven is irrelevantOctopus Flux export tariff is much better than other companys'
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Brilliant news! The UK's Labour Government are going to make "plug in solar" legal.
Grab some panels from Lidl, hang them off your balcony or out your window, plug them in to your mains. Done!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-go-further-and-faster-in-becoming-energy-secure
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Brilliant news! The UK's Labour Government are going to make "plug in solar" legal.
Grab some panels from Lidl, hang them off your balcony or out your window, plug them in to your mains. Done!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-go-further-and-faster-in-becoming-energy-secure
@Edent any suspicion when from? Do we think weeks or months away?
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@bloor STRAIGHT TO JAIL FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!
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@Edent any suspicion when from? Do we think weeks or months away?
@seanhood Write to your MP, tell them you think it is a brilliant idea, and ask when it will be in place.
That will show them (and the department) that their constituents are interested in green energy.