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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley if I'm ever in the position where my professional work has me working on apple stuff i'll take it just as seriously as anything else in my work, but that's not my work right now.
a decade or so ago i'd have been more interested in porting side projects like mollytime, but i gather you have to pay rent on these things now and lol no, that's not happening for a project that already makes negative money
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley (*I* need the source to do this but for moots it does not need to *be* open source, as long as you trust my discretion)
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@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
@glyph @seanlinsley ah. last time i regularly used Apple OS(i can't be bothered to find the unicode tm symbol you'll just have to imagine it) was my previous job, which i got fired from in early 2016 iirc. i wasn't kidding when i said "a friend" worked on a AAA port
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley oh cool. that's not against the rules?
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@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley oh cool. that's not against the rules?
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley I can’t imagine how it would be. maybe if we lived in different jurisdictions and there were app store revenue involved or something? but the only “getting in trouble” I could imagine for 3rd-party download mac stuff would be if you put some malware in there it might burn my account if it got caught
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley I can’t imagine how it would be. maybe if we lived in different jurisdictions and there were app store revenue involved or something? but the only “getting in trouble” I could imagine for 3rd-party download mac stuff would be if you put some malware in there it might burn my account if it got caught
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley to be clear please don’t put any malware in there
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley to be clear please don’t put any malware in there
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley if malware ends up in any of my projects i'll be just as surprised as you
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@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley if malware ends up in any of my projects i'll be just as surprised as you
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley anyway, I'll keep your offer in mind should the stars align for it. i don't have any hardware to port on, so it probably won't be for a while. ironically i am somewhat interested in doing a retro osx port, but i also don't have hardware for that handy either. the next actual planned port is "webpage"
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@glyph I tried switching to Safari and made it about two months before I got angry and came back to Firefox, simply because the Firefox feature set is too damn good: tab containers for sandboxing certain domains, tab sending (push and pull) between multiple devices, and proper ad block extensions and privacy features.
Every time they make me angry with their ai nonsense I just remember that no other browser gets even one of those right, let alone all three.
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@glyph I tried switching to Safari and made it about two months before I got angry and came back to Firefox, simply because the Firefox feature set is too damn good: tab containers for sandboxing certain domains, tab sending (push and pull) between multiple devices, and proper ad block extensions and privacy features.
Every time they make me angry with their ai nonsense I just remember that no other browser gets even one of those right, let alone all three.
@amethyst Trend lines suggest that at least half of Firefox users have stopped using it in the last 5 years or so, so I'm curious to hear from them — I was very surprised when I saw the public numbers because some version of the story you just related is the one I hear the most often *socially* from people who talk about Firefox at all, and I kinda assumed that their user population was holding steady as a result.
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@amethyst Trend lines suggest that at least half of Firefox users have stopped using it in the last 5 years or so, so I'm curious to hear from them — I was very surprised when I saw the public numbers because some version of the story you just related is the one I hear the most often *socially* from people who talk about Firefox at all, and I kinda assumed that their user population was holding steady as a result.
@amethyst it *also* halved in usage from 2015-2020, so the people still using it in 2020 were almost certainly aware of some of its benefits and yet attrition continued, which is what I'm curious about.
I guess a better question for you might be: what made you want to *try* switching to Safari in the first place?
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@glyph Do you have a link to the data? (FWIW I'm not in the group, Firefox has been my secondary browser since around a decade ago, with Safari as primary due to the large performance difference historically and now mostly inertia.)
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@glyph Do you have a link to the data? (FWIW I'm not in the group, Firefox has been my secondary browser since around a decade ago, with Safari as primary due to the large performance difference historically and now mostly inertia.)
@mirth click around on https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/worldwide/2015 for various years, but you can look at other reports like https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q3 . Different absolute numbers by a few percent depending on where you source your data, but similar trends all around
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@amethyst it *also* halved in usage from 2015-2020, so the people still using it in 2020 were almost certainly aware of some of its benefits and yet attrition continued, which is what I'm curious about.
I guess a better question for you might be: what made you want to *try* switching to Safari in the first place?
@glyph Most recently was because Apple Pay stopped working in Firefox on macOS (after working fine for a couple years), along with being tempted by some nifty-looking Safari extensions that—because iOS jail—would actually work on both the desktop and the phone browser, while my Firefox extensions only work on the desktop.
In the background, I've had growing concerns about Mozilla Foundation being stupid, doing/saying shitty things around crypto/ai/etc, along with repeated rollout of features I absolutely do not want in my browser, that were enabled by default, or the concern that Mozilla itself might be turning into enablers of various sorts and me losing trust in the foundation to follow its mission. Their most recent CEO announcement is adding an awful lot to that feeling.
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@mirth click around on https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/worldwide/2015 for various years, but you can look at other reports like https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q3 . Different absolute numbers by a few percent depending on where you source your data, but similar trends all around
@glyph Interesting. Their self-reported data shows a slow decline in absolute usage [1] while ITU data [2] shows a big increase in total usage, consistent with the reports of rapidly dropping share.
1. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
2. https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2024/11/10/ff24-internet-use/ -
@glyph Interesting. Their self-reported data shows a slow decline in absolute usage [1] while ITU data [2] shows a big increase in total usage, consistent with the reports of rapidly dropping share.
1. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
2. https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2024/11/10/ff24-internet-use/@mirth interesting! the idea that the total internet population was increasing had not occurred to me but I guess if we are looking over a decade that makes sense!
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@mirth interesting! the idea that the total internet population was increasing had not occurred to me but I guess if we are looking over a decade that makes sense!
@glyph I have observed but not followed closely the conversations about Firefox direction, "AI" features, etc. I'm not well-informed enough to have any strong opinions but one thing that's certainly different vs a decade ago is all of the major browsers work well in terms of compatibility, performance, stability, etc. There are differences, but they're all plenty usable. At the same time there a lot of smaller hurdles to switching (bookmarks, device sync, G acct sign-in).
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@glyph I have observed but not followed closely the conversations about Firefox direction, "AI" features, etc. I'm not well-informed enough to have any strong opinions but one thing that's certainly different vs a decade ago is all of the major browsers work well in terms of compatibility, performance, stability, etc. There are differences, but they're all plenty usable. At the same time there a lot of smaller hurdles to switching (bookmarks, device sync, G acct sign-in).
@glyph What that suggests to me is the usage dynamics are more like soft drinks, an inexpensive product where choices are driven by habit, brand perception, and distribution more than anything in the product itself. Not much different from how Coca-Cola and Pepsi are more or less interchangeable and equally bad for you.
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@glyph I recently (= after summer vacay or so) stopped using Firefox altogether in favor of Librewolf. However I've been using Vivaldi for a long time now for the webpages that don't work well enough in Firefox. The list is depressingly long. Librewolf is so uptight that I now have to use Vivaldi ever more often. I can foresee a time when it will only work on old sites.
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@glyph What that suggests to me is the usage dynamics are more like soft drinks, an inexpensive product where choices are driven by habit, brand perception, and distribution more than anything in the product itself. Not much different from how Coca-Cola and Pepsi are more or less interchangeable and equally bad for you.
@glyph @glyph On the one hand this is an uninspiring possibility because it implies that without an external stabilizing force the browser world will stabilize with just a few dominant brands. On the other, it suggests that succeeding with a new browser doesn't necessarily entail a massive technical effort, more a cultural, packaging, and marketing project.
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@shizamura @JenJen reminds me of
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@quinta ne sono assolutamente convinto anch’io; anche perché già con Capitol Hill Trump aveva dimostrato le sue intenzioni e fu solo la posizione di Mike Pence che validando i risultati elettorali permise l’uscita di scena di Trump.
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@GustavinoBevilacqua @yaw ecco, magari un po' (tanto) meno elitista di una Castalia, essere qui per scelta consapevole sì, ma se la scelta è “perché qui vedo gattini e shitpost dei miei amici (o di perfetti sconosciuti) senza che vengano coperti dai gatti generati dall'ai degli influencer alla ricerca di profitto” va benissimo ugualmente
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RE: https://thecanadian.social/@MostlyHarmless/115874030186694960
This is fantastic.
If this doesn't work...
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I've been boycotting Samsung for years now. People outside Korea often seem surprised when I mention this—after all, Samsung is one of the most recognizable Korean brands globally. So let me explain.
It started after I read <cite>Think Samsung</cite> (<cite lang="ko"><ruby>三星<rp>(</rp><rt>삼성</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>을 생각한다</cite>) by Kim Yong-chul, a former Samsung lawyer turned whistleblower. The book exposed systematic corruption, slush funds, and how the conglomerate wielded its influence to evade accountability. It painted a picture of a company that operated as if it were above the law.
But what pushed me from mere dislike to active boycott was the 2015 merger between Samsung C&T and Cheil Industries. This wasn't just questionable corporate governance—it was engineered to help Lee Jae-yong consolidate control of the Samsung empire. The merger ratio heavily undervalued Samsung C&T, and the National Pension Service, despite its fiduciary duty to Korean citizens, voted in favor of it. Korean pensioners lost billions.
The whole affair later became central to the corruption scandal that brought down President Park Geun-hye. Lee Jae-yong was convicted of bribery. And yet Samsung continues as if nothing happened.
I'm under no illusion that my personal boycott hurts Samsung in any meaningful way. But some things aren't about effectiveness. They're about not being complicit.
