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@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
@aeva @seanlinsley I used to get this wrong *while working at apple*, because it just wasn’t clear everywhere, and the intermittent scoldings I received are one reason it sticks out to me today
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley critically, i cannot spare a single neuron for keeping track of apple's branding and trademark whimsy. there's no apple in my life right now *at all*, so i don't really get why i'd be expected to.
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley you aren’t! that’s the point that I was making, it’s not relevant or salient enough that most people would do so. I am not trying to correct your usage, feel free to continue calling it “osx”, many open source toolchains still do so too
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@aeva @glyph @seanlinsley personally I will often intentionally use the wrong name for commercial products as a pure sign of disrespect
@mcc @aeva @glyph @seanlinsley "aah yes OSIDGAF"
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley critically, i cannot spare a single neuron for keeping track of apple's branding and trademark whimsy. there's no apple in my life right now *at all*, so i don't really get why i'd be expected to.
@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley if I'm ever in the position where my professional work has me working on apple stuff i'll take it just as seriously as anything else in my work, but that's not my work right now.
a decade or so ago i'd have been more interested in porting side projects like mollytime, but i gather you have to pay rent on these things now and lol no, that's not happening for a project that already makes negative money
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@seanlinsley @glyph i'm reminded of a memorable conversation with a friend back in college where i was ranting about the difficulty of porting some project of mine to osx, and he listened with amusement and then when i was done venting he asked sagaciously if i had considered simply not bothering, and then proceeded to fire up windows on his macbook
@aeva @seanlinsley @glyph king shit, ngl
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@mcc @glyph @seanlinsley if I'm ever in the position where my professional work has me working on apple stuff i'll take it just as seriously as anything else in my work, but that's not my work right now.
a decade or so ago i'd have been more interested in porting side projects like mollytime, but i gather you have to pay rent on these things now and lol no, that's not happening for a project that already makes negative money
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley (*I* need the source to do this but for moots it does not need to *be* open source, as long as you trust my discretion)
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@aeva @seanlinsley the nomenclature was absolutely correct at the time! and technically you are correct that they referred to it as some version of “OS X” for “most” of the last 20 years. but only because it was current for the 11 years preceding 2016. also it’s fine to call it that, it’s just indicative of apple’s own somewhat confused meandering around on the branding for this. I was reacting to the fact that your AAA anecdote used the label, not the flashback
@glyph @seanlinsley ah. last time i regularly used Apple OS(i can't be bothered to find the unicode tm symbol you'll just have to imagine it) was my previous job, which i got fired from in early 2016 iirc. i wasn't kidding when i said "a friend" worked on a AAA port
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley yep, $99/year to make a binary that can be double-clicked upon. it sucks.
but I do already pay that rent, and I have an open offer to mutuals that if you ever have a side-project or open source thing that would probably work on a mac but needs the pixie dust, let me know and I will bless it appropriately and maybe write a build script. obviously not offering infinite free porting work but if it’s just to dismiss the toll troll I am happy to help
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley oh cool. that's not against the rules?
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@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley oh cool. that's not against the rules?
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley I can’t imagine how it would be. maybe if we lived in different jurisdictions and there were app store revenue involved or something? but the only “getting in trouble” I could imagine for 3rd-party download mac stuff would be if you put some malware in there it might burn my account if it got caught
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley I can’t imagine how it would be. maybe if we lived in different jurisdictions and there were app store revenue involved or something? but the only “getting in trouble” I could imagine for 3rd-party download mac stuff would be if you put some malware in there it might burn my account if it got caught
@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley to be clear please don’t put any malware in there
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@aeva @mcc @seanlinsley to be clear please don’t put any malware in there
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley if malware ends up in any of my projects i'll be just as surprised as you
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@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley if malware ends up in any of my projects i'll be just as surprised as you
@glyph @mcc @seanlinsley anyway, I'll keep your offer in mind should the stars align for it. i don't have any hardware to port on, so it probably won't be for a while. ironically i am somewhat interested in doing a retro osx port, but i also don't have hardware for that handy either. the next actual planned port is "webpage"
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@glyph I tried switching to Safari and made it about two months before I got angry and came back to Firefox, simply because the Firefox feature set is too damn good: tab containers for sandboxing certain domains, tab sending (push and pull) between multiple devices, and proper ad block extensions and privacy features.
Every time they make me angry with their ai nonsense I just remember that no other browser gets even one of those right, let alone all three.
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@glyph I tried switching to Safari and made it about two months before I got angry and came back to Firefox, simply because the Firefox feature set is too damn good: tab containers for sandboxing certain domains, tab sending (push and pull) between multiple devices, and proper ad block extensions and privacy features.
Every time they make me angry with their ai nonsense I just remember that no other browser gets even one of those right, let alone all three.
@amethyst Trend lines suggest that at least half of Firefox users have stopped using it in the last 5 years or so, so I'm curious to hear from them — I was very surprised when I saw the public numbers because some version of the story you just related is the one I hear the most often *socially* from people who talk about Firefox at all, and I kinda assumed that their user population was holding steady as a result.
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@amethyst Trend lines suggest that at least half of Firefox users have stopped using it in the last 5 years or so, so I'm curious to hear from them — I was very surprised when I saw the public numbers because some version of the story you just related is the one I hear the most often *socially* from people who talk about Firefox at all, and I kinda assumed that their user population was holding steady as a result.
@amethyst it *also* halved in usage from 2015-2020, so the people still using it in 2020 were almost certainly aware of some of its benefits and yet attrition continued, which is what I'm curious about.
I guess a better question for you might be: what made you want to *try* switching to Safari in the first place?
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@glyph Do you have a link to the data? (FWIW I'm not in the group, Firefox has been my secondary browser since around a decade ago, with Safari as primary due to the large performance difference historically and now mostly inertia.)
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@glyph Do you have a link to the data? (FWIW I'm not in the group, Firefox has been my secondary browser since around a decade ago, with Safari as primary due to the large performance difference historically and now mostly inertia.)
@mirth click around on https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/worldwide/2015 for various years, but you can look at other reports like https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q3 . Different absolute numbers by a few percent depending on where you source your data, but similar trends all around
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@amethyst it *also* halved in usage from 2015-2020, so the people still using it in 2020 were almost certainly aware of some of its benefits and yet attrition continued, which is what I'm curious about.
I guess a better question for you might be: what made you want to *try* switching to Safari in the first place?
@glyph Most recently was because Apple Pay stopped working in Firefox on macOS (after working fine for a couple years), along with being tempted by some nifty-looking Safari extensions that—because iOS jail—would actually work on both the desktop and the phone browser, while my Firefox extensions only work on the desktop.
In the background, I've had growing concerns about Mozilla Foundation being stupid, doing/saying shitty things around crypto/ai/etc, along with repeated rollout of features I absolutely do not want in my browser, that were enabled by default, or the concern that Mozilla itself might be turning into enablers of various sorts and me losing trust in the foundation to follow its mission. Their most recent CEO announcement is adding an awful lot to that feeling.
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@mirth click around on https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/worldwide/2015 for various years, but you can look at other reports like https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q3 . Different absolute numbers by a few percent depending on where you source your data, but similar trends all around
@glyph Interesting. Their self-reported data shows a slow decline in absolute usage [1] while ITU data [2] shows a big increase in total usage, consistent with the reports of rapidly dropping share.
1. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
2. https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2024/11/10/ff24-internet-use/
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@mora @quinta sarò ingenuo, ma io non credo che sia così. L'Europa è stata voluta altrimenti non si sarebbe fatta. Finora è convenuto più o meno a tutti, anche a chi fa guerra ibrida all'Europa (per poi in realtà mandare oligarchi a investirci dentro). Mettendo da parte l'Italia e le dovute fluttuazioni nel corso dei decenni, il tenore di vita medio in Europa è migliorato.
Nell'ipotesi peggiore, ovvero che l'Europa è solo un bancomat, beh, pur sempre meglio di niente. Chissa dove saremmo senza.
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@danmcd Wow!
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I think I need something like that
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@sdvsfr e come disse il ministro degli esteri Tajani ...ministro degli Esteri ma fino a un certo punto😁
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# New article is out #
Solus, a sparkling star in the Linux sky
https://darkblueraven.com/sites/articles/solus-review-january-2026.php
#darkblueraven #solus #xfce #budgiedesktop #gnome #kdeplasma #linux #linuxdesktop #opensource #freesoftware
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