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    @allanjude @jimsalter
    @joeress

    Hey πŸ‘‹ Love the 2.5admins podcast!

    Assuming that you all use ZFS on your laptops as well - do you buy laptops that offer multiple SSD slots (e.g., 2x NVMe or 1x NVMe + 1x SATA) so that you can set up mirrored vdevs?

    Or do you run ZFS as a single-disk configuration on your laptops, e.g., because not enough suitable laptop options exist? If the latter, how do you handle the case that a corruption is detected on your single-disk ZFS?

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    • Lennart Oldenburgundefined Lennart Oldenburg

      @allanjude @jimsalter
      @joeress

      Hey πŸ‘‹ Love the 2.5admins podcast!

      Assuming that you all use ZFS on your laptops as well - do you buy laptops that offer multiple SSD slots (e.g., 2x NVMe or 1x NVMe + 1x SATA) so that you can set up mirrored vdevs?

      Or do you run ZFS as a single-disk configuration on your laptops, e.g., because not enough suitable laptop options exist? If the latter, how do you handle the case that a corruption is detected on your single-disk ZFS?

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      @numbleroot @allanjude @joeress typically, single-disk. If I happen to end up with a laptop with multiple bays, I'll cheerfully use both and grab some redundancy, but I don't try super hard to GET such a laptop.

      I use replication to back up anything I care about hourly, daily, and monthly. That includes anything I care about on a laptop, so if the laptop loses a drive, it's an uptime hit--not a disaster recovery hit.

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      • Lennart Oldenburgundefined Lennart Oldenburg

        @allanjude @jimsalter
        @joeress

        Hey πŸ‘‹ Love the 2.5admins podcast!

        Assuming that you all use ZFS on your laptops as well - do you buy laptops that offer multiple SSD slots (e.g., 2x NVMe or 1x NVMe + 1x SATA) so that you can set up mirrored vdevs?

        Or do you run ZFS as a single-disk configuration on your laptops, e.g., because not enough suitable laptop options exist? If the latter, how do you handle the case that a corruption is detected on your single-disk ZFS?

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        @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter I don't use ZFS on laptops. Just copy anything I care about to my NAS which is ZFS with snapshots and replication to multiple backups.

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        • Jim Salterundefined Jim Salter

          @numbleroot @allanjude @joeress typically, single-disk. If I happen to end up with a laptop with multiple bays, I'll cheerfully use both and grab some redundancy, but I don't try super hard to GET such a laptop.

          I use replication to back up anything I care about hourly, daily, and monthly. That includes anything I care about on a laptop, so if the laptop loses a drive, it's an uptime hit--not a disaster recovery hit.

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          @jimsalter @allanjude @joeress

          Fair enough, thanks Jim.

          The only scenario I was thinking and worrying about is this uptime hit happening while away/on travel for data on the single disk which are required to operate the laptop (OS or such). I'd imagine the resolution process in such situation to be quite stressful, but maybe not more so than in non-ZFS settings (which of course come with further downsides).

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          • Joe Ressingtonundefined Joe Ressington

            @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter I don't use ZFS on laptops. Just copy anything I care about to my NAS which is ZFS with snapshots and replication to multiple backups.

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            @joeress @allanjude @jimsalter

            Thanks Joe! Why not, if I may ask? Even if not for its redundancy, it sounds to me like ZFS has so much to offer that using it anyways makes sense. If not ZFS on your laptops, which filesystem then?

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            • Lennart Oldenburgundefined Lennart Oldenburg

              @joeress @allanjude @jimsalter

              Thanks Joe! Why not, if I may ask? Even if not for its redundancy, it sounds to me like ZFS has so much to offer that using it anyways makes sense. If not ZFS on your laptops, which filesystem then?

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              @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter i just use ext4. All my data lives on my NAS and I've just never felt the need to use ZFS on laptops because I can blow away the OS and be back up and running really quickly if I need to.

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              • Joe Ressingtonundefined Joe Ressington

                @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter i just use ext4. All my data lives on my NAS and I've just never felt the need to use ZFS on laptops because I can blow away the OS and be back up and running really quickly if I need to.

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                @joeress @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter ZFS on a laptop typically means recompiling in each kernel upgrade. Thats one of the things that keeps me away.

                Of course not if you are running FreeBSD…

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                • laydrosundefined laydros

                  @joeress @numbleroot @allanjude @jimsalter ZFS on a laptop typically means recompiling in each kernel upgrade. Thats one of the things that keeps me away.

                  Of course not if you are running FreeBSD…

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                  @laydros @joeress @numbleroot @allanjude also not if you're running Ubuntu.

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                  • Lennart Oldenburgundefined Lennart Oldenburg

                    @jimsalter @allanjude @joeress

                    Fair enough, thanks Jim.

                    The only scenario I was thinking and worrying about is this uptime hit happening while away/on travel for data on the single disk which are required to operate the laptop (OS or such). I'd imagine the resolution process in such situation to be quite stressful, but maybe not more so than in non-ZFS settings (which of course come with further downsides).

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                    @numbleroot @allanjude @joeress I carry a spare laptop. Real redundancy!

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