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RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116221646008456537
I have mixed feelings about this. I spent 20 years living in Vietnam, not photographing the things I was prohibited from photographing.
Because I was visitor. It wasn't my country, and I was allowed to live there under the forbearance of the government. So, you know, I obeyed their laws.
Dubai isn't a democracy. Your rights are whatever the government says they are. If that offends you, go home.
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RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116221646008456537
I have mixed feelings about this. I spent 20 years living in Vietnam, not photographing the things I was prohibited from photographing.
Because I was visitor. It wasn't my country, and I was allowed to live there under the forbearance of the government. So, you know, I obeyed their laws.
Dubai isn't a democracy. Your rights are whatever the government says they are. If that offends you, go home.
And yet I can understand that people living expat lives come to believe the rules don't apply to them. I saw it often, Westerners who believed themselves to be above the laws of the country that was hosting them.
And with smart phones it is very easy to think that because you can take a picture of anything, you should and have a right to.
But you don't.
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And yet I can understand that people living expat lives come to believe the rules don't apply to them. I saw it often, Westerners who believed themselves to be above the laws of the country that was hosting them.
And with smart phones it is very easy to think that because you can take a picture of anything, you should and have a right to.
But you don't.
Meanwhile, in the US, where you literally DO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT to document ICE acting badly, they shoot you for it these days.
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And yet I can understand that people living expat lives come to believe the rules don't apply to them. I saw it often, Westerners who believed themselves to be above the laws of the country that was hosting them.
And with smart phones it is very easy to think that because you can take a picture of anything, you should and have a right to.
But you don't.
@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social But that’s not an "expat". That’s a country that said: “We can’t live off oil forever. So we’re bending our own laws.” We’re courting tourists. They’re allowed to drink alcohol here. Women don’t have to wear veils. They’re allowed to kiss in public. The main thing is that they spend plenty of money here. Of course, this country can do that. But if it doesn’t consider that these tourists are used to being allowed to photograph everything, then problems can arise. They should have be prepared for that. -
RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116221646008456537
I have mixed feelings about this. I spent 20 years living in Vietnam, not photographing the things I was prohibited from photographing.
Because I was visitor. It wasn't my country, and I was allowed to live there under the forbearance of the government. So, you know, I obeyed their laws.
Dubai isn't a democracy. Your rights are whatever the government says they are. If that offends you, go home.
@Remittancegirl
Even in a full democracy the legality of documenting targets hit by drones would be questionable. Supposing there's no explicit law, it might still be interpreted as an act of espionage. -
RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116221646008456537
I have mixed feelings about this. I spent 20 years living in Vietnam, not photographing the things I was prohibited from photographing.
Because I was visitor. It wasn't my country, and I was allowed to live there under the forbearance of the government. So, you know, I obeyed their laws.
Dubai isn't a democracy. Your rights are whatever the government says they are. If that offends you, go home.
@Remittancegirl The law literally changes daily, whatever you thnk the law is ... it isn't
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And yet I can understand that people living expat lives come to believe the rules don't apply to them. I saw it often, Westerners who believed themselves to be above the laws of the country that was hosting them.
And with smart phones it is very easy to think that because you can take a picture of anything, you should and have a right to.
But you don't.
@Remittancegirl I have seen it all my life traveling. I do the chameleon thing. Most seem to morph into the mythic creatures they can't be at home.
Entitlement.
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@Remittancegirl
Even in a full democracy the legality of documenting targets hit by drones would be questionable. Supposing there's no explicit law, it might still be interpreted as an act of espionage.@CosminOprescu @Remittancegirl Granting and denying rights is what every government does. Democracy is no protection, it's just a veil between the people and all out class war, and it's in tatters.
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@CosminOprescu @Remittancegirl Granting and denying rights is what every government does. Democracy is no protection, it's just a veil between the people and all out class war, and it's in tatters.
@Fishercat
Well, you're right, democracy is a thin veil; you can tell it's a dictatorship when the veil gets replaced by a a concrete wall. -
@Fishercat
Well, you're right, democracy is a thin veil; you can tell it's a dictatorship when the veil gets replaced by a a concrete wall.@CosminOprescu @Remittancegirl So.. Louis XVI, Nikolai II, Mohamed Reza Pahlavi.. not dictators?
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@Fishercat
Well, you're right, democracy is a thin veil; you can tell it's a dictatorship when the veil gets replaced by a a concrete wall.Well, democracies only function when the people living under them take responsibility for them.
The fact that 1/2 the fucking country wasn't out on the street protesting after Pretti's murder is proof of this.
People COULD get out and protest en mass, but they chose not to.
In non-democracies, you can't. You get shot.
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@CosminOprescu @Remittancegirl So.. Louis XVI, Nikolai II, Mohamed Reza Pahlavi.. not dictators?
@Fishercat
Definitely, dictators; sometimes the walls they build are not tall enough. -
Meanwhile, in the US, where you literally DO HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT to document ICE acting badly, they shoot you for it these days.
One useful definition of a police state is one in which you are compelled to obey the police, not the law.
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One useful definition of a police state is one in which you are compelled to obey the police, not the law.
@EricLawton Outstanding definition
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Well, democracies only function when the people living under them take responsibility for them.
The fact that 1/2 the fucking country wasn't out on the street protesting after Pretti's murder is proof of this.
People COULD get out and protest en mass, but they chose not to.
In non-democracies, you can't. You get shot.
@Remittancegirl @CosminOprescu
Protestors are murdered by every form of government. When the kleptigarchs feel like there's threat to their position, protesters get shot. To my mind, there's not a significant difference between those deaths being at a protest or in front of a firing squad.
Quelling protests, and making it clear that white privilege is no protection, was part of the point of killing Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
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@Remittancegirl @CosminOprescu
Protestors are murdered by every form of government. When the kleptigarchs feel like there's threat to their position, protesters get shot. To my mind, there's not a significant difference between those deaths being at a protest or in front of a firing squad.
Quelling protests, and making it clear that white privilege is no protection, was part of the point of killing Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
Here you're absolutely wrong. Dictators are those who kill; thousands of people or more.
In democracy you might see tear gas or even rubber bullets but no mass shooting by police.
When protesters like Renee Good or Alex Pretti are killed, you know a country took its first step towards a totalitarian regime. The fact that people can still protest against those killings means it was *only* the first step.
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And yet I can understand that people living expat lives come to believe the rules don't apply to them. I saw it often, Westerners who believed themselves to be above the laws of the country that was hosting them.
And with smart phones it is very easy to think that because you can take a picture of anything, you should and have a right to.
But you don't.
@Remittancegirl in the UK it is generally permissible to take photos of anything*from* public land, eg a road or path, or *from* private land with the landowner's permission even if the person of thing you are photographing is on private or government land. Seems some Brits assume this is the case in all countries when clearly it isn't.
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@Remittancegirl in the UK it is generally permissible to take photos of anything*from* public land, eg a road or path, or *from* private land with the landowner's permission even if the person of thing you are photographing is on private or government land. Seems some Brits assume this is the case in all countries when clearly it isn't.
@pthane Apparently so.
I cannot remember how often I had to stop a Western tourist, taking a picture of the Naval yards in HCMC and point out the incredibly LARGE PICTOGRAPHIC SIGN that indicated that photography was prohibited there.
I think they simply assume the rules don't apply to them. This is fairly typical western arrogance.
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@pthane Apparently so.
I cannot remember how often I had to stop a Western tourist, taking a picture of the Naval yards in HCMC and point out the incredibly LARGE PICTOGRAPHIC SIGN that indicated that photography was prohibited there.
I think they simply assume the rules don't apply to them. This is fairly typical western arrogance.
@Remittancegirl You don't have to go as far as Asia to see examples. Greek islands being small often have airfields shared by commercial flights and military use. No photography there. USians are notorious in Europe for assuming their laws and customs are universal and my fellow Brits are embarrassingly prone to offending local cultural norms by turning up at historic religious sites in shorts, tees or crop tops.
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@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social But that’s not an "expat". That’s a country that said: “We can’t live off oil forever. So we’re bending our own laws.” We’re courting tourists. They’re allowed to drink alcohol here. Women don’t have to wear veils. They’re allowed to kiss in public. The main thing is that they spend plenty of money here. Of course, this country can do that. But if it doesn’t consider that these tourists are used to being allowed to photograph everything, then problems can arise. They should have be prepared for that.
@Life_is Wait, are you inferring that their hypocrisy robs them of the right to apply their laws?
Because no matter where you live, governments behave hypocritically to attract investment.
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