"how's ram shortage going"
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@azonenberg @tom_verbeure @whitequark @datenwolf
Computing went through a mad pace of change between 1985 and 2000, from 8-bit computers to 64 bit becoming relatively affodable with Alpha chip.
I went from doing BASIC on my Spectrum 48k as a kid to running multi-user systems on Intel/AMD architecture.
Meanwhile, the last 15 years in user-end hasn't that much advanced. Yeah, more cores, more RAM but I've already had more than 4GB RAM on my PC in 2010, and even now that's quite OK with Linux.
@M0KHR @azonenberg @whitequark @datenwolf I think the 486 66DX2 was the first x86 CPU with the core clock decoupled from the external bus (hence the DX2). At the time, I thought that was cheating…
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@whitequark
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@RedstoneLP2 @jn @whitequark I recently found an sff thinkcentre in front of an e-waste bin, no ram of course, ddr4 is gold these days so it's possible it was kept by the previous owner. i had some laptop ram to spare, so i did purchase these adapters. i can only use one slot, the other module would not fit due to the presence of the drive cage (and even the one i can use is sort of rubbing against the fan shroud, but it works, so whatever.)
@RedstoneLP2
On second thought, it could have also come from a nearby business, those also sometimes have media destruction policies that involve RAM. (Nobody tell them CPUs have cache and various onboard microcontrollers and stuff have some RAM too.)
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@M0KHR @azonenberg @whitequark @datenwolf I think the 486 66DX2 was the first x86 CPU with the core clock decoupled from the external bus (hence the DX2). At the time, I thought that was cheating…
@tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark @datenwolf
There were shenanigans about bus vs CPU bits (386SX33 and 8088 comes to mind)
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@whitequark @datenwolf those came angled in 2 different directions so you could install 2 of them.
Indeed. That's why I explicitly called out that I used a pair of them. I maybe should have clarified what I meant by "pair".
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@whitequark What's old is new again:
Back when I built my Pentium-1 I carried over several MiB of RAM on SIMM modules to those new-fangled DIMM slots using a pair of SIMM→DIMM adapters:
@datenwolf @whitequark Somewhere around here I have some 30-pin to 72-pin FPM adapters as historical curiosities.
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@RedstoneLP2
On second thought, it could have also come from a nearby business, those also sometimes have media destruction policies that involve RAM. (Nobody tell them CPUs have cache and various onboard microcontrollers and stuff have some RAM too.)
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@ozzelot @jn @whitequark meanwhile i'm surprised when a storage device is actually wiped for once
@RedstoneLP2 @jn @whitequark I'm not saying such companies are around that bin, just saying they exist in general. Probably. They're heard of.
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@tom_verbeure @whitequark @M0KHR @datenwolf It's funny how everyone else who grew up in the same time period has all these formative memories of playing games on 95/98 etc and I never had that.
I was doodling in 16-bit PBRUSH.EXE and writing C in EDIT.COM
@azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR @datenwolf I don’t think anything will ever match the hype when Doom was first released. There must semiconductor companies out there whose entire existence is due to the spike in demand for network cards.
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@whitequark @elexia suddenly buying a laptop with soldered ram is both great and awful (great if buying second hand now)
@M0YNG @whitequark @elexia pop off with flathead screwdriver, duct tape onto new board
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Indeed. That's why I explicitly called out that I used a pair of them. I maybe should have clarified what I meant by "pair".
@datenwolf @whitequark Thanks, now I got it.
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@tom_verbeure @whitequark @M0KHR @datenwolf It's funny how everyone else who grew up in the same time period has all these formative memories of playing games on 95/98 etc and I never had that.
I was doodling in 16-bit PBRUSH.EXE and writing C in EDIT.COM
@azonenberg @tom_verbeure @whitequark @M0KHR @datenwolf My first computer was a second hand 386SX20 running MSDOS 5.0 in 1994. I quickly upgraded the 1 MB of RAM to 4MB and installed a Mitsumi FX001(S). It was basically a DOS machine, even if it had Win 3.1 installed. I was never much into gaming but rather wrote programs in assembler using debug.exe (Ralph Brown's Interrupt List FTW).
First new machine was a K6-266 with Win98 in 1998 (but still no games, Winamp, DivX and the like...) -
@azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR @datenwolf I don’t think anything will ever match the hype when Doom was first released. There must semiconductor companies out there whose entire existence is due to the spike in demand for network cards.
@tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR
"3com" maybe? You know, the NIC manufacturer who cheaped out on MAC address allocations and reused MAC addresses for cards sold in different geographical regions.
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@tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR
"3com" maybe? You know, the NIC manufacturer who cheaped out on MAC address allocations and reused MAC addresses for cards sold in different geographical regions.
@datenwolf @tom_verbeure @azonenberg @M0KHR that must be standard practice now, isn't it? does anybody promise globally unique hwaddrs?
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@datenwolf @tom_verbeure @azonenberg @M0KHR that must be standard practice now, isn't it? does anybody promise globally unique hwaddrs?
@whitequark @tom_verbeure @azonenberg @M0KHR
MACs are 48 bit. So far there's still enough address space left for no collisions to be neccessary. And since bad things happen when you have an MAC address collision within a network segment, and the likelyhood of that only going up: I hope that 3com was an outlier.
3com bet on their doubly assigned cards to never meet in a shared broadcast domain. It happened within months.
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@tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR
"3com" maybe? You know, the NIC manufacturer who cheaped out on MAC address allocations and reused MAC addresses for cards sold in different geographical regions.
@datenwolf @tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark
Oooh, I had a batch of those once! Installed on a couple of office computers as a 100Mbit upgrade, and then they didn't work thanks to collisions! No wonder they were cheap.
Edit: actually they weren't even cheap. I remember jumping into my car and driving to Dixons to grab a bunch of cards to replace them because they were needed *now*
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@tom_verbeure @azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR
"3com" maybe? You know, the NIC manufacturer who cheaped out on MAC address allocations and reused MAC addresses for cards sold in different geographical regions.
@datenwolf @azonenberg @whitequark @M0KHR Way too expensive! All I remember is that they were NE2000 compatible but Novell was too expensive as well. We used a single coax cable instead of UTP.
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Yep, they work as long as you have the space for the adapters.
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