Agnostics claim to know that the existence of a deity is plausible.
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@nitpicking @oblomov ok so in that case my original statement does stand, agnostics claim to know that an existence of deities is possible.
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@nitpicking @oblomov ok so in that case my original statement does stand, agnostics claim to know that an existence of deities is possible.
@selzero @nitpicking hm, no? They claim that it is unknowable.
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@selzero @nitpicking hm, no? They claim that it is unknowable.
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@nitpicking @oblomov it's not a play on words.
If the question is "is it possible that a deity exists", according to your definition, the agnostic answer is "yes"
Am I misunderstanding?
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@nitpicking @oblomov it's not a play on words.
If the question is "is it possible that a deity exists", according to your definition, the agnostic answer is "yes"
Am I misunderstanding?
@selzero @nitpicking yes, you are misunderstanding.
«Does a deity exists?»
The agnostic answer is «it's impossible to know». This is not a yes, it's not a no, and it's not even a maybe.
Which is why agnostic strong atheism is a thing (it's impossible to know THEREFORE there are no gods), which, I'll remark, does NOT contemplate the possibility that they do exist, but is still agnostic (in fact, it relies on agnosticism as a rationale to deny the existence of the gods).
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@selzero @nitpicking yes, you are misunderstanding.
«Does a deity exists?»
The agnostic answer is «it's impossible to know». This is not a yes, it's not a no, and it's not even a maybe.
Which is why agnostic strong atheism is a thing (it's impossible to know THEREFORE there are no gods), which, I'll remark, does NOT contemplate the possibility that they do exist, but is still agnostic (in fact, it relies on agnosticism as a rationale to deny the existence of the gods).
My question is not "does a deity exist".
My question is
Is it possible that a deity *could* exist.
What is the agnostic answer to that?
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My question is not "does a deity exist".
My question is
Is it possible that a deity *could* exist.
What is the agnostic answer to that?
«it's impossible to know»
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«it's impossible to know»
@oblomov @nitpicking I have never heard the definition of agnostic to entail that it is impossible to know if it is possible for a deity to exist.
Only that is it impossible to know that a deity does exist.
Where is your definition from?
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@oblomov @nitpicking I have never heard the definition of agnostic to entail that it is impossible to know if it is possible for a deity to exist.
Only that is it impossible to know that a deity does exist.
Where is your definition from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism#Strong_agnosticism
> Also called "hard", "closed", "strict", or "permanent agnosticism", strong agnosticism is the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable
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Agnostics claim to know that the existence of a deity is plausible.
As an atheist, I'm agnostic to that.
I'm an apatheist these days, there might be a deity or deities, but what've they done for me lately?
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