If every country starts requiring that people provide official ID in order to "verify their age" to use social media, there will be no way to use any social media without associating the account with a legal identity.
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If every country starts requiring that people provide official ID in order to "verify their age" to use social media, there will be no way to use any social media without associating the account with a legal identity.
This is horrible for democracy,
and should terrify everyone.It doesn't matter if platforms use third-parties or not. It doesn't matter if they use some special encrypted code, the result is the same. This gatekeeps open discussions and government criticisms free from reprisals.
This is bad.
This is China "free-speech" bad. -
If every country starts requiring that people provide official ID in order to "verify their age" to use social media, there will be no way to use any social media without associating the account with a legal identity.
This is horrible for democracy,
and should terrify everyone.It doesn't matter if platforms use third-parties or not. It doesn't matter if they use some special encrypted code, the result is the same. This gatekeeps open discussions and government criticisms free from reprisals.
This is bad.
This is China "free-speech" bad.@Em0nM4stodon I agree this is bad in general, but this:
> there will be no way to use any social media without associating the account with a legal identity
...is not true.
One could devise a protocol where the only thing that is certified to the website is age, without any identity information.
For a somewhat imperfect example that gives an idea, see here:
https://rys.io/en/178.htmlAdd zero-knowledge proofs to the mix and it becomes much more solid. It's totally something that could be done.
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@Em0nM4stodon I agree this is bad in general, but this:
> there will be no way to use any social media without associating the account with a legal identity
...is not true.
One could devise a protocol where the only thing that is certified to the website is age, without any identity information.
For a somewhat imperfect example that gives an idea, see here:
https://rys.io/en/178.htmlAdd zero-knowledge proofs to the mix and it becomes much more solid. It's totally something that could be done.
@rysiek @Em0nM4stodon While there can be a hypothetical protocol, I'm concerned about the slippery slope.
Org A could offer a service of providing age verification. "Yes, token <blah> is an adult."
Org A will keep some ID record for liability protection. (Token <blah> is person X.)
Those records will leak, be sold/acquired, be shared with government, etc.
Software isn't the problem. (Bad) people are the problem. Even "good" people doing "tough" things for "the right" reasons.
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@rysiek @Em0nM4stodon While there can be a hypothetical protocol, I'm concerned about the slippery slope.
Org A could offer a service of providing age verification. "Yes, token <blah> is an adult."
Org A will keep some ID record for liability protection. (Token <blah> is person X.)
Those records will leak, be sold/acquired, be shared with government, etc.
Software isn't the problem. (Bad) people are the problem. Even "good" people doing "tough" things for "the right" reasons.
@TrillionB @Em0nM4stodon that's why it's important to design the protocol in a way that Bad People also can't connect these dots. And there are ways to do just that.
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@TrillionB @Em0nM4stodon that's why it's important to design the protocol in a way that Bad People also can't connect these dots. And there are ways to do just that.
@rysiek @TrillionB @Em0nM4stodon so in our view (hi! this is our field), focusing on this aspect ignores the harm that happens at the moment of enforcement, regardless of where the data goes after
governments do not get to decide which people are eligible to engage in speech. we all already know where that goes, let's not fool ourselves
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@kwramm I for one am totally cool with the idea of there being an industry-wide mandate for all programmers to learn some basic competency as artists and vice versa.
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@PaoloParti @eccosilvia preferirei di no ma con tutto l'arsenale che ci becchiamo dagli americani una mezza cartuccia cosa vuoi che sia?!
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@Bastacosi @eccosilvia Heather forever!
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@eccosilvia ah no ... perché qui non si sa mai.
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