I tried out NodeBB following Lemmy/PieFed communities
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
And of course I can add comments from Lemmy lol
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
This is the stuff I crave.
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And of course I can add comments from Lemmy lol
Of course, that's the magic of an open protocol.
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
Someone help me out? I barely know a thing about NodeBB, other than it's evidently software that integrates in to the FV. But if we're coming from Lemmy, PieFed and MBin instances, how would we access NodeBB instances and content..?
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Someone help me out? I barely know a thing about NodeBB, other than it's evidently software that integrates in to the FV. But if we're coming from Lemmy, PieFed and MBin instances, how would we access NodeBB instances and content..?
this is a NodeBB community/category: https://thefedi.forum/category/1/announcements
Put it in your Lemmy/PieFed search and you should be able to subscribe to it like any other community, when I searched for that URL I saw it has the ID: !announcements@thefedi.forum
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this is a NodeBB community/category: https://thefedi.forum/category/1/announcements
Put it in your Lemmy/PieFed search and you should be able to subscribe to it like any other community, when I searched for that URL I saw it has the ID: !announcements@thefedi.forum
So as I understand it, right now it's still sort of a 'hunt and peck' situation. Lemmy and PieFed automatically federate their content with each other (well, to a healthy extent), but don't happen to be exposed to Mastodon, Mbin, and NodeBB content.
I hope progress can be made on uniting these, as the communities are all fairly modest in size, putting them well behind other platforms like Reddit, and the despicable "X."
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So as I understand it, right now it's still sort of a 'hunt and peck' situation. Lemmy and PieFed automatically federate their content with each other (well, to a healthy extent), but don't happen to be exposed to Mastodon, Mbin, and NodeBB content.
I hope progress can be made on uniting these, as the communities are all fairly modest in size, putting them well behind other platforms like Reddit, and the despicable "X."
yea it's manual, but if any community was big enough then people would know about it and hopefully post it to !newcommunities@lemmy.world
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So as I understand it, right now it's still sort of a 'hunt and peck' situation. Lemmy and PieFed automatically federate their content with each other (well, to a healthy extent), but don't happen to be exposed to Mastodon, Mbin, and NodeBB content.
I hope progress can be made on uniting these, as the communities are all fairly modest in size, putting them well behind other platforms like Reddit, and the despicable "X."
Lemmy and PieFed are both part of the Threadiverse though, whereas things like Mastodon, Loops, and Friendica are not. Since none of the latter have "communities", e.g. in Mastodon you have to follow "people", rather than community topics to be discussed by many people.
These fundamental differences can make it difficult to share content between platforms, even though it can be done. e.g. I think in Mastodon (iirc, I have never used it personally) you have to tag the community name as if it were a person.
Even between PieFed and Lemmy there is a lot that can be sent out by the former that the latter simply is not capable of receiving properly, like hashtags, polls, user and community flairs, and so on. Likewise some input can be filtered too, e.g. votes prevented on a PieFed community not only based on if someone is banned or not (from either the instance or the community itself) but whether they are a subscribed member of that community, if the community rule is set up that way (e.g. women's communities where men might not bother reading the rules, say by just seeing something while browsing by All, and attempt e.g. vote manipulation, even/especially unintentionally).
So anyway, despite all the differences, PieFed and Lemmy at least are operating on roughly the same wavelength, but e.g. Loops is an entirely separate thing.
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Lemmy and PieFed are both part of the Threadiverse though, whereas things like Mastodon, Loops, and Friendica are not. Since none of the latter have "communities", e.g. in Mastodon you have to follow "people", rather than community topics to be discussed by many people.
These fundamental differences can make it difficult to share content between platforms, even though it can be done. e.g. I think in Mastodon (iirc, I have never used it personally) you have to tag the community name as if it were a person.
Even between PieFed and Lemmy there is a lot that can be sent out by the former that the latter simply is not capable of receiving properly, like hashtags, polls, user and community flairs, and so on. Likewise some input can be filtered too, e.g. votes prevented on a PieFed community not only based on if someone is banned or not (from either the instance or the community itself) but whether they are a subscribed member of that community, if the community rule is set up that way (e.g. women's communities where men might not bother reading the rules, say by just seeing something while browsing by All, and attempt e.g. vote manipulation, even/especially unintentionally).
So anyway, despite all the differences, PieFed and Lemmy at least are operating on roughly the same wavelength, but e.g. Loops is an entirely separate thing.
Lemmy and PieFed are both part of the Threadiverse though, whereas things like Mastodon, Loops, and Friendica are not. Since none of the latter have “communities”, e.g. in Mastodon you have to follow “people”, rather than community topics to be discussed by many people.
Okay, but Mastodon does have a general feed I think, similar to the "ALL" stream. Doesn't it also allow following hashtags, too?
Even between PieFed and Lemmy there is a lot that can be sent out by the former that the latter simply is not capable of receiving properly, like hashtags, polls, user and community flairs, and so on.
I think there's another wrinkle, too, about PF communities not showing up in Lemmy feeds unless a local instance user has subscribed to them.
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
Oh this is cool!
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Lemmy and PieFed are both part of the Threadiverse though, whereas things like Mastodon, Loops, and Friendica are not. Since none of the latter have “communities”, e.g. in Mastodon you have to follow “people”, rather than community topics to be discussed by many people.
Okay, but Mastodon does have a general feed I think, similar to the "ALL" stream. Doesn't it also allow following hashtags, too?
Even between PieFed and Lemmy there is a lot that can be sent out by the former that the latter simply is not capable of receiving properly, like hashtags, polls, user and community flairs, and so on.
I think there's another wrinkle, too, about PF communities not showing up in Lemmy feeds unless a local instance user has subscribed to them.
You seem more familiar with Mastodon than me:-).
I think there’s another wrinkle, too, about PF communities not showing up in Lemmy feeds unless a local instance user has subscribed to them.
Mostly this is just how the Threadiverse is designed to work. PieFed might do differently, but Lemmy has always been this way. That said, it is reportedly about to get worse/better (at the same time) as the choice as to what communities will show up for new instances will now fall under the centralized authority of Lemmy.ml directly - so e.g. anything defederated from it will no longer be considered part of the Threadiverse, at least by default (although that's easy enough to override by adding the community manually). It is notable though that previously I believe zero communities were added by default, at least automatically (and yet when that update deploys and some do, it will only get more confusing to find out why some instances, decided by Lemmy.ml to not be worthy by their criteria, will not be part of that). It is also far more confusing than I let on here, and in ways that I do not fully know myself, since just because an instance is "aware" of a community does not mean that it is "subscribed" to it.
There is simply no way that the federated model is anything at all like "just using email", as people claim. The defederations make it an entirely different thing where instead of having a fully connected graph we have only a partially connected one.
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You seem more familiar with Mastodon than me:-).
I think there’s another wrinkle, too, about PF communities not showing up in Lemmy feeds unless a local instance user has subscribed to them.
Mostly this is just how the Threadiverse is designed to work. PieFed might do differently, but Lemmy has always been this way. That said, it is reportedly about to get worse/better (at the same time) as the choice as to what communities will show up for new instances will now fall under the centralized authority of Lemmy.ml directly - so e.g. anything defederated from it will no longer be considered part of the Threadiverse, at least by default (although that's easy enough to override by adding the community manually). It is notable though that previously I believe zero communities were added by default, at least automatically (and yet when that update deploys and some do, it will only get more confusing to find out why some instances, decided by Lemmy.ml to not be worthy by their criteria, will not be part of that). It is also far more confusing than I let on here, and in ways that I do not fully know myself, since just because an instance is "aware" of a community does not mean that it is "subscribed" to it.
There is simply no way that the federated model is anything at all like "just using email", as people claim. The defederations make it an entirely different thing where instead of having a fully connected graph we have only a partially connected one.
That all sounds pretty gloomy, on the whole.
If Lemmy.ml's founders didn't have such a controversial reputation, I'd be a lot more sanguine about all that...
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I found this instance https://thefedi.forum/world (found here https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/list )
To follow a community, copy the ID of the Fediverse community, and on nodeBB click the magnifying glass on the right side to search and paste in the community ID in there (and delete the exclamation mark, like
television@piefed.social)change the dropdown to search "in categories" and it should show up like this https://thefedi.forum/search?in=categories&term=television%40piefed.social
Open the community, click "Not Watching" to choose either "Watching" or "Tracking" and then new posts/comments will be synchronized in, and you should be able to join in on the discussions!
@die4ever@thefedi.forum hi from another NodeBB! (god this will never get old)
NodeBB maintainer here. Glad to hear you're enjoying the software! I really tried to make it so that federation is rather seamless. There's a lot of work to be done with respect to discovery, so it'll only get better over time 🙂
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> Sorry to be so blunt, but I absolutely cannot abide bullying, of any kind, for any reason.
Once Stanton revealed his identity and stood behind his work both @rimu@piefed.social and I apologized and offered our help. That's all we're asking for, and it's not a lot to expect someone to stand behind their product.
Generative AI brings out the laziest behaviour in some people. They don't even read responses they just paste it in to the LLM and copy-paste the output. The mismatch in work is not something I abide by.
Some coward last month had their OpenClaw agent with a god complex let loose on another OSS project and when the bot got rebuffed, it wrote a hit piece on the maintainer. The bot owner was (by their own admission) hands off on the whole matter.
So, no, I am not at all going to be patient and accepting when a supposedly fully-formed piece of software is launched with zero prior reputation, no attribution, and shows telltale signs of AI usage. It trips all kinds of flags, and I will be wary of it.
> Mastodon HOA
Respectfully, this comes nowhere near the shit I've seen from that group.
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@rimu@piefed.social
At least the Inkwell software consistently fulfills the promises its interface makes. I've tried to edit both my posts in this topic with PieFed, this one to clarify that I meant; detects a Trained MOLE *output. The interface reloaded with a slightly different version of the OP and the comment I was replying to, no sign of the comment that I wanted to edit nor an edit box.Can I respectfully suggest you redirect the time and energy you're putting into dogpiling other AP implementors into fixing some bugs, and testing your interface in non-Chromium-based browsers on non-grApple OS (I'm using LibreWolf)?
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From ‘his’ github profile pic
Do you know how zerogpt.com detects a Trained #MOLE? By using a Trained MOLE!
we employ a comprehensive deep learning methodology, trained on extensive text collections from the internet, educational datasets, and our proprietary synthetic AI datasets produced using various language models
Which means that like all the output a Trained MOLE vomits up, there's absolutely no way to know how accurate this is (whatever the truth of whether there's a human behind these texts of not). Maybe this is a real photo of Stanton. Maybe it's been heavily altered by automated filters in GIMP. Maybe it's been auto-generated, because like many of us, Stanton likes his privacy and doesn't want to doxx himself (a privilege reversed for middle class people in the middle of the social diversity bell curve). The Trained MOLE you just weaponized against him doesn't know, and neither do you.
You know who now deserves exactly the same dogpile from you that Stanton got for using a Trained MOLE to prove a concept? I'll give you 3 guesses ; )
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I’m really sorry for all this dogpile. You shouldn’t be getting this kind of flack when you took the time to implement ActivityPub
You took the words right out of my mouth. I have no bones about dismissing #MOLE Training as a technology for most purposes; https://disintermedia.net.nz/invasion-of-the-mole-trainers/
I might argue the toss with someone using a Trained MOLE, outside of the narrow range of applications it's suitable for (eg digging holes in data). In fact, it's pretty damn likely. But I don't bully hobby developers for making technical choices I disagree with. Some of the comments I've seen directed at Stanton here are worse than the Mastodon HOA. Which is usually at least about some kind of substantive issue with the project (eg not respecting posting scopes when displaying replies), even if the overreaction is nuclear scale.
@rimu@piefed.social @julian@activitypub.space If you really believe you're talking to a Trained #MOLE, do you expect it to take offence and withdraw its participation if you're sufficiently mean to it? Why would it do that? If you are talking to a chatbot, you're just hurling all this toxic negativity into the fediverse for no reason. It's a special case of flooding the zone with shit.
But take a breath, touch some grass, and consider this; what if you're wrong? Which is a possibility a rational person must always stay open to. Have you considered how you would feel if somebody judged your AP implementations and your fediverse replies to be the work of a MOLE, and treated you this way? What if this is an unusually prompt and calm person (maybe they meditate regularly or something)? Or they have a disability and they're using a MOLE to help them reply promptly, but there is a thinking, feeling human being reading these replies. Honestly guys, pull your woolly head in.
Sorry to be so blunt, but I absolutely cannot abide bullying, of any kind, for any reason.
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Appreciate that! I realized I had an outdated readme and needed to add the sourcing directly from the Inkwell site. My biggest concern is gaps that AI won't catch, but luckily I've had early adopters getting on, requesting feature upgrades and reporting bugs. There is no way it would be where it is at if I didn't get lucky with some early users and feedback.
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Thanks again Evan! I think that is where my bad information came from and good to note. I've been lucky and really appreciate the support. If there is anything I can do to improve on my side, I'm all ears!
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Thanks, Evan! I honestly didn't take it personally and there were some learning I needed that will just help me be a better fediverse community member. And thanks for the kind words and feedback! That's mostly why I'm reaching out. The AP integration seems to be working okay, but I'm sure there are gaps I'm missing from a lack of knowledge.
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@julian It's been a great multi-implementer effort, both from the long-form text producers and the microblogging services.
@inkwell@piefed.social one warning about doing ActivityPub development with LLMs: codeberg.org blocks a lot of LLMs for training and for RAG/MCP. Since FEPs are hosted there, I've found that searching for information on FEPs will result in incorrect information.
