Was just reading about Looksmaxxing and the trouble Gen Z dudes are having with life.
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@_elena Absolutely! NYTimes traffics in this kind of stuff *all the time* unfortunately.
I think it’s fair, @Lognormal_guy , to worry about this—I have two boys (for now at least, one of them is Tokyo Drifting away from that gender expression 🤣). It is one of my greatest fears that they will somehow be 'Andrew Tate' pilled into a deep misogyny that I can’t recover them from...
...we worry about kids because we worry about vulnerability. That’s a good thing! We’re empathetic! But—in my experience—I don’t know if it’s helpful to think about kids as *inertially* vulnerable. Some kids are going to be a lot more susceptible to this than others. I think an individualized approach to a specific kid is going to be a lot more effective combating these trends than generalized interventions.
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...we worry about kids because we worry about vulnerability. That’s a good thing! We’re empathetic! But—in my experience—I don’t know if it’s helpful to think about kids as *inertially* vulnerable. Some kids are going to be a lot more susceptible to this than others. I think an individualized approach to a specific kid is going to be a lot more effective combating these trends than generalized interventions.
HOLY THREADJACKING, BATMAN.
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HOLY THREADJACKING, BATMAN.
I am sorry for taking up so much of your reply space, @Lognormal_guy , I hope you felt respected and that I was not talking down to you.
and likewise, @_elena , I’m sorry if you felt like I steamrolled over your insightful comment.
I WILL BE LEAVING YOU ALL ALONE NOW, REDUCED FROM A REPLY GUY TO A G'BYE GUY.
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I am sorry for taking up so much of your reply space, @Lognormal_guy , I hope you felt respected and that I was not talking down to you.
and likewise, @_elena , I’m sorry if you felt like I steamrolled over your insightful comment.
I WILL BE LEAVING YOU ALL ALONE NOW, REDUCED FROM A REPLY GUY TO A G'BYE GUY.
@OKdad no need to apologize, thank you for all your insights!
My child is much younger (5) and thus blissfully offline. That's why I do so much work now advocating for the Fediverse and FOSS... I wanna help support better alternatives for her and her peers 🥲
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@OKdad no need to apologize, thank you for all your insights!
My child is much younger (5) and thus blissfully offline. That's why I do so much work now advocating for the Fediverse and FOSS... I wanna help support better alternatives for her and her peers 🥲
@_elena You’re doing the *work* for sure!!! And if nothing else, you get to be the stuff of your kid’s personal legends. “Yeah, I wasn’t allowed anything Meta as a kid, you know FOSS? Okay, well... I’ll send you a video that my mom made.“
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@_elena You’re doing the *work* for sure!!! And if nothing else, you get to be the stuff of your kid’s personal legends. “Yeah, I wasn’t allowed anything Meta as a kid, you know FOSS? Okay, well... I’ll send you a video that my mom made.“
@OKdad actually her pre-school already asked me to do a presentation about FOSS and the Fediverse to parents... I plan to ask to do so in every school she's enrolled in (elementary / middle / high school) LOOOL 🤗
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@OKdad actually her pre-school already asked me to do a presentation about FOSS and the Fediverse to parents... I plan to ask to do so in every school she's enrolled in (elementary / middle / high school) LOOOL 🤗
@_elena that’s AMAZING!! 🤣 I love that so much!!
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I am sorry for taking up so much of your reply space, @Lognormal_guy , I hope you felt respected and that I was not talking down to you.
and likewise, @_elena , I’m sorry if you felt like I steamrolled over your insightful comment.
I WILL BE LEAVING YOU ALL ALONE NOW, REDUCED FROM A REPLY GUY TO A G'BYE GUY.
@OKdad @_elena I get that this isn't likely 'normal' - not tons of kids hitting themselves in the face with hammers (I hope.) But it's a worrying sign that this is as popular as it is - the fact that folks watch it for entertainment even if they aren't using it as a life guide - means it's in their heads somewhere. And even if it's fringe, in normalizes a fringe view that attractiveness is more important than anything else (in direct opposition to all the after school specials of my day.)
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@OKdad @_elena I get that this isn't likely 'normal' - not tons of kids hitting themselves in the face with hammers (I hope.) But it's a worrying sign that this is as popular as it is - the fact that folks watch it for entertainment even if they aren't using it as a life guide - means it's in their heads somewhere. And even if it's fringe, in normalizes a fringe view that attractiveness is more important than anything else (in direct opposition to all the after school specials of my day.)
@Lognormal_guy @_elena You’re right—kids are scooped up in this that wouldn’t have otherwise, even if it is a small percentage. I personally think of this as an extension of what we are seeing at the intersection of algorithmic social media and right-wing content culture.
People are heavy-lifting the Overton Window to the right by making *really* compelling content. (This goes back too! I’m thinking of things like the Alex Jones Gay Frogs rant—which is odious and objectively very funny.)
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@Lognormal_guy @_elena You’re right—kids are scooped up in this that wouldn’t have otherwise, even if it is a small percentage. I personally think of this as an extension of what we are seeing at the intersection of algorithmic social media and right-wing content culture.
People are heavy-lifting the Overton Window to the right by making *really* compelling content. (This goes back too! I’m thinking of things like the Alex Jones Gay Frogs rant—which is odious and objectively very funny.)
@Lognormal_guy I think as long as the personal and monetary incentives persist, that content will unfortunately continue to thrive. SO! **IMO** on the micro-level: talk to kids about this stuff and be honest about your feelings and concerns. And on the macro-level: challenge the incentives—the algorithms and the platformers. which is what I think @_elena is attempting to do!
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@Lognormal_guy I think as long as the personal and monetary incentives persist, that content will unfortunately continue to thrive. SO! **IMO** on the micro-level: talk to kids about this stuff and be honest about your feelings and concerns. And on the macro-level: challenge the incentives—the algorithms and the platformers. which is what I think @_elena is attempting to do!
@OKdad I already got my daughter to be completely turned off by Barbie dolls at age 3, totally rejecting them (after I explained to her that they have impossible dimensions that do not exist IRL and if a real woman looked like a Barbie she wouldn't be able to engage in a lot of fun sports, because she'd be too frail). Gotta do the same with Big Tech tools