Because a LOT of people are missing the point:
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@HighlandLawyer @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels
Then the rules still apply. If it can change my brain state? I will have a difficult time trusting it. In truth? I sometimes distrust my own senses.
Human perceptions are imperfect and brain-mediated. Ever look at anything and simply not see some detail on it until it's pointed out for you? Ever hallucinate? Not smell a stink because you got used to it?
We get ALL information via lofi, low-trust channels. We cannot trust our lying eyes.
@ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels @jackwilliambell
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My rules for brain implants:
1. I will not alpha or beta test; in fact I think waiting for v3.25 is probably for the best
2. Must run Open Source software *not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager*
3. Must not require *any* kind of 'cloud' to operate, must work fine without a network connection, and must be locally configurable
4. You know what? Even if it meets rules 1 to 3 I'm still not too hot on the ideaโฆ
@jackwilliambell@rustedneuron.com @cstross@wandering.shop @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world
not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager
Nothing like using obsolete vendored libraries.
Somewhat joke aside, language-centric dependency/"package" managers are an antipattern that should never have been adopted.
Dependency/build managers (i.e. tools that know how to build a given language provided the dependencies are available on the system, obtaining them being out of scope of its duties) are fine (insofar as dead languages are, anyway).
And I'm NOT having one of those brain implants, no way!)
It's proprietary malware, it's a good idea to reject it.
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@jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman could be worse.
Clippy.
@Tubemeister @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman
One thing we've learned from AI is that Clippy was not the worst thing humans could invent. -
My rules for brain implants:
1. I will not alpha or beta test; in fact I think waiting for v3.25 is probably for the best
2. Must run Open Source software *not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager*
3. Must not require *any* kind of 'cloud' to operate, must work fine without a network connection, and must be locally configurable
4. You know what? Even if it meets rules 1 to 3 I'm still not too hot on the ideaโฆ
@cstross @ApostateEnglishman @jackwilliambell ok, but hear me out... I'd rather a package manager than `curl|bash` for my brain implants...
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@woozle
Itโs not just that itโs a bad idea, itโs a solution looking for a problem to solve.The only advantage in having anything beyond basic communications satellites and telescopes in orbit is solar power.
Thatโs it. Everything else increases complexity while gaining very little.
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@Tubemeister @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman
One thing we've learned from AI is that Clippy was not the worst thing humans could invent.@WellsiteGeo @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman Well no. If youโre looking for the worst thing humans can invent, computers arenโt even in the running.
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Because a LOT of people are missing the point:
No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".
But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.
Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.
So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.
@cstross It's a shame to clutter near-Earth orbit with temporary junk, when we could -- for far less money -- just run fiber to every home in the USA, including rural areas. Just like the home electrification program of the past.
And it could be done by the US Government, benefiting people instead of billionaires.
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My rules for brain implants:
1. I will not alpha or beta test; in fact I think waiting for v3.25 is probably for the best
2. Must run Open Source software *not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager*
3. Must not require *any* kind of 'cloud' to operate, must work fine without a network connection, and must be locally configurable
4. You know what? Even if it meets rules 1 to 3 I'm still not too hot on the ideaโฆ
I'd add "must not be created, owned or manufactured by anyone who uses fantasy or science-fiction references in their company names or IP"
The only brain implant I'd like to see in the short term is something to repair Corpus Callosotomy as an epileptic management treatment. That's probably not the Futurist brain hacking people generally think of though.
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@jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman
My one brain implant rule: all software must be in #Debian `stable`/`main`. This means:
a) it, and all dependencies, are DFSG-compatible https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
b) and have 3 years support by the Debian security team https://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan
c) and maybe 5 years https://www.debian.org/lts/
d) and passed the freeze process with no RC-bugs that would have kept them out of the release https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ftparchives#frozen
โฆand also still not too hot on the idea ๐
@aspragg @jackwilliambell @ApostateEnglishman You've been brainwashed by crapitalism into thinking the duration of support should be limited *at all*. If it's going in my brain, it gets unconditional support for the rest of my life. Otherwise it's not going in.
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@cstross It's a shame to clutter near-Earth orbit with temporary junk, when we could -- for far less money -- just run fiber to every home in the USA, including rural areas. Just like the home electrification program of the past.
And it could be done by the US Government, benefiting people instead of billionaires.
@agreeable_landfall See, it's another fucking American thinking they're the only place on the planet that matters (or uses broadband, for that matter). Barbarians.
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@woozle
Itโs not just that itโs a bad idea, itโs a solution looking for a problem to solve.The only advantage in having anything beyond basic communications satellites and telescopes in orbit is solar power.
Thatโs it. Everything else increases complexity while gaining very little.
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Because a LOT of people are missing the point:
No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".
But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.
Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.
So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.
I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
Putting them there is one thing. Cooling them is another.
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Putting them there is one thing. Cooling them is another.
@jorny
Came here to write this.It doesn't matter how cheap or practical it might be to *put* the DC in space. Simple fact is that physics means it's a dumb decision to do that.
@n_dimension should probably go read the myriad of info debunking the idea of data centres in space and explaining why it wouldn't work and is dumb, at any cost.
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
@n_dimension @cstross Aehm... No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening unless he wants to rebuild Nvidia GPUs in 65nm. And using SRAM instead of DRAM. And figure out a way how to reliably cool things in vacuum by radiating away the heat on the darker side while the other side gets roasted by the sun.
But I agree on the Nazi Spaceship sentiment. -
I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
@n_dimension @cstross what is the datacenter supposed to do in orbit other than melt into junk?
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
@n_dimension @cstross What will you cool it with?
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
I think the issues that make it a fantasy are
Chips of the sort need for AI don't work well in space enviroment
Power (do thr maths on size of solar arrays needed)
Cooling (can only cool by radiation)
Many clever people that you or I have looked at the idea and declared it impractical.
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
@n_dimension Mr Musk: You have a problem cooling data centres on Earth so your proposal is to put them inside the biggest imaginable vacuum, which is itself an insulator, with one half exposed to direct sunlight? Did you fail physics in primary school?
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I loathe Felon Muscovite but one thing that he does not need to talk up is his space orbital capabilities.
He does about 150 orbital launches a year, which is more than all the global total launches combined.
Boeing lifters are fully single shot and cost anywhere from 2 to 3 billion dollars of taxpayers money.
Musk is a fraction of that.
If he gets his Starship operational, he will be able to put 1kg of mass up there for about $20 and for that price you can totally put a data centre in orbit and kill dead the "using water/power/CO2" arguments from the #Antiai mob
Having said all that, everytime his Nazi Starship explodes I rejoice.
@n_dimension @cstross it's the dumbest and least efficient way to deal with those arguments. Air cooling on earth (no water needed) is the easier than radiative cooling in space. Solar panels and batteries on earth, cheaper than batteries in space.