Amazon is excluding spicy romance & LGBTQ books from the affiliates program.
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I knew they would come for those books. I knew it. And that's only the beginning. (Although their greed may keep romance alive.)
I never used the affiliates program and never will. In fact, I stopped using Amazon ads this year (and yes, I see a loss of sales).
You can re-order links in Books2Read, and I have put my PayHip on top, followed by Bookshop org and Smashwords (which now pays 75% royalties), before I list Amazon.
Same on my website.
And I'm going "wide" with Print.
@Firlefanz @susankayequinn About ten years ago now (time flies), I did some research on costs, on how to set up an alternative to the POD system from Amazon, which leaves brutally little for authors or small publishers. In my opinion, this is holding back growth of small publishers more than so many other factors, because it's a complaint I heard over and over.
The TL;DR of it is, it doesn't seem impossible. The harder part is that the printers I spoke to were fearing an uberization of...
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@Firlefanz @susankayequinn About ten years ago now (time flies), I did some research on costs, on how to set up an alternative to the POD system from Amazon, which leaves brutally little for authors or small publishers. In my opinion, this is holding back growth of small publishers more than so many other factors, because it's a complaint I heard over and over.
The TL;DR of it is, it doesn't seem impossible. The harder part is that the printers I spoke to were fearing an uberization of...
@Firlefanz @susankayequinn ... their services, i.e. where I provide a platform on which they compete, which ultimately drives down their price. I guess the experience with Amazon had burned them badly.
At the same time, mid-sized printers have invested heavily into POD-style printing solutions (TL;DR), so they are ready for this kind of thing, by and large.
I dropped that whole line of thought for a number of reasons back then, but I still feel it is missing. And more precisely, I think...
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@Firlefanz @susankayequinn ... their services, i.e. where I provide a platform on which they compete, which ultimately drives down their price. I guess the experience with Amazon had burned them badly.
At the same time, mid-sized printers have invested heavily into POD-style printing solutions (TL;DR), so they are ready for this kind of thing, by and large.
I dropped that whole line of thought for a number of reasons back then, but I still feel it is missing. And more precisely, I think...
@Firlefanz @susankayequinn ... what is missing is a co-op style organization for this rather than a market-driven one.
Perhaps it is time to dig out my notes and have more serious conversations about this? 🤔
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@Firlefanz @susankayequinn ... what is missing is a co-op style organization for this rather than a market-driven one.
Perhaps it is time to dig out my notes and have more serious conversations about this? 🤔
I definitely lean towards a co-op rather than market-driven. I would even be willing to share in the cost.
Indie Authors Unite! or something along those lines. 🙂
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Amazon is excluding spicy romance & LGBTQ books from the affiliates program. It's Bezos obeying the fascists in advance. And it highlights how, with the flip of a switch, they can easily shadow-ban whatever books they want.
I'm removing all my Amazon affiliate links & will deprioritize Amazon links
@susankayequinn I thought Amazon was 80% "Pregnant by the alien dinosaurs" and "Ravished by alpha vampire werewolf twins" by now.
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@andrew @susankayequinn Keep in mind Bezo is no longer the CEO of amazon so you guys can't blame this on him.
Does he not still own the company? 🤔
I mean, the Washington Post has someone else running it too but come on 🙄
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Does he not still own the company? 🤔
I mean, the Washington Post has someone else running it too but come on 🙄
@crcollins @andrew @susankayequinn Do you also avoid using microsoft, walmart, google and apple? They are all guilty of the same type of behaviors and support of the state of this country. If you are going to go after one why not all? All of these rich people have done awful things.
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Amazon is excluding spicy romance & LGBTQ books from the affiliates program. It's Bezos obeying the fascists in advance. And it highlights how, with the flip of a switch, they can easily shadow-ban whatever books they want.
I'm removing all my Amazon affiliate links & will deprioritize Amazon links
@susankayequinn someone THAT rich is not obeying the fashs. He is a fash...
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I definitely lean towards a co-op rather than market-driven. I would even be willing to share in the cost.
Indie Authors Unite! or something along those lines. 🙂
@Firlefanz Oh yeah, I mean, definitely a Co-Op. As it so happens, my day job has given me a bunch of insights there as well, so I feel way better prepared for this than I was when I first had the idea.
It's more that back then I was thinking of barriers to growth for indie publishing. Now I think about it more are "keep civilization running in the face of the threat the fascist-capitalist-complex poses". Both, really :)
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@crcollins @andrew @susankayequinn Do you also avoid using microsoft, walmart, google and apple? They are all guilty of the same type of behaviors and support of the state of this country. If you are going to go after one why not all? All of these rich people have done awful things.
@sapphireangel @andrew @susankayequinn
True. But the OP was discussing one specific thing. People have the right to boycott anyone they want. Or not 🤷
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@sapphireangel @andrew @susankayequinn
True. But the OP was discussing one specific thing. People have the right to boycott anyone they want. Or not 🤷
@crcollins @andrew @susankayequinn Yes that is also true. I just don't understand the hatred directly at amazon all the time, and just one person, when many are at fault. That is what I don't get.
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Amazon is excluding spicy romance & LGBTQ books from the affiliates program. It's Bezos obeying the fascists in advance. And it highlights how, with the flip of a switch, they can easily shadow-ban whatever books they want.
I'm removing all my Amazon affiliate links & will deprioritize Amazon links
Bezos is not "obeying in advance," Bezos is one of the architects of this fascist coup. Boycott Amazon.
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@susankayequinn Sadly, D2D is not great for spicy books either and will not send any of mine to bookshop.org. Like, they will publish to other places, but two of my books they will only publish to Smashwords.
Like I feel you, they are better than Amazon, but there is a strong chance that if it's spicy they will block it from bookshop.org.
@rubyjones do you mean spicy or erotica (I think both should be distributed but they are distinct)? I've only distributed my SF so I should distribute some of my spicy romance to test this.
(it has to be D2D not bookshop because I already distribute my spicy romance paperbacks to bookshop via Ingram)
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@Firlefanz Oh yeah, I mean, definitely a Co-Op. As it so happens, my day job has given me a bunch of insights there as well, so I feel way better prepared for this than I was when I first had the idea.
It's more that back then I was thinking of barriers to growth for indie publishing. Now I think about it more are "keep civilization running in the face of the threat the fascist-capitalist-complex poses". Both, really :)
@jens @Firlefanz
I will be interested to hear more of your thoughts on this, esp coops -
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