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Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross we already know sin has mass, as it "weighs heavily on the heart"
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@cstross As a Jewish-raised Pagan, uh, what the fuck is a "sin"
@monokeros Fuck knows: something christian, I think?
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@cstross OK, let's do it.
@Uilebheist @cstross i thought we already were…
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara
In Reform Christianity, the religion I grew up in, the intention is the only part that is sinful.
- If I intentionally shoot you and you die, I've sinned.
- If I accidentally kill you, I haven't sinned.
- If I intentionally shoot you and miss, then I had murder in my heart and so I've sinned.
This suggests that we can run this DDOS without actually harming one another by attempting sins and foiling one another's schemes.
In order to make the sin information hard to compress, we would have to change the parameters each time we attempt a sin. Adding some arbitrary bullshit like costumes, unusual locations, things of that nature.
We'd have to be Batman villains, basically.
@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Except you couldn't have full intent knowing that you aren't actually going to go through with it, so you'd need one group intending to do the acts, being foiled by another group. So Legion of Doom and Justice League. -
@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Except you couldn't have full intent knowing that you aren't actually going to go through with it, so you'd need one group intending to do the acts, being foiled by another group. So Legion of Doom and Justice League.@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara
In order to allow us to really have full intent behind our sins, we should have some really powerful being foiling us, but which lets us go after each attempt.
It may be necessary to create Superman, in order to fully enable our sinning.
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross I would think the intent is like a deposit or a down payment that goes toward the full weight of the resultant sin
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara
In order to allow us to really have full intent behind our sins, we should have some really powerful being foiling us, but which lets us go after each attempt.
It may be necessary to create Superman, in order to fully enable our sinning.
@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Attempts to create a superman have historically been a substantial source sin in themselves. -
@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara The code is already written. We are just stack pointers.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross A Distributed Denial of Salvation attack?
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@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Attempts to create a superman have historically been a substantial source sin in themselves.@HighlandLawyer @passenger @cstross @mxchara a sin-sin plan
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@Lemmus @NuclearOatmeal @cstross clearly the answer to sinmaxxing has to involve "AI" at scale, perhaps converting the entire solar system into Evil LLMs (built using Goddamn Processing Units).
I feel there's a thematic linkage here with _The Nine Billion Names of God_. It makes sense if we're in the Mirror Clarkeverse and don't realize it yet. Maybe when Rama arrives and Pete Hegseth shoots it down, matters will become more clear.
@oddhack @Lemmus @NuclearOatmeal @cstross Didn't Rama already arrive in 2017?
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
Unfortunately, this fails in both #physics and #theology.
The physics failure is in skipping part of the full energy–momentum relation. Energy does not imply mass. It implies mass or momentum. Photons have energy, but they do not have mass, for example.
The theology failure is that the Christian conception of God (the Father) is external to spacetime, i.e. transcendent. There's no metric tensor to apply. There's no general relativistic description for the relationship between God and the physical universe. General relativistic concepts like black holes do not apply.
Then you have the issue of God (the Son) as intercessor to deal with. Sins don't get sent straight to God the Father.
Good try. No cigar, though.
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@Colman @bassthang @cstross @mxchara I suspect that particular problem space has been thoroughly mapped. (See also Suzy Izzard on original sin: "Heard it!")
@geeksam I'm assuming inserting(*) NEW weird sex acts into the graph of existing weird sex acts is at most N log N, or even less if there's a hashed index or caching?
(* - heh heh heh.)
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@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara
Until the intent to sin is fully formed the quantum state of the sin has yet to resolve. If the intent/repent threshold resolves to repentance is that an anti-sin? -
From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross to be judged at all, sin or not, requires information to be available to god/jesus, so you can just existencmaxx.
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
@cstross that sounds like the theory behind Shabtai Zvi's attempt at immanentizing the eschaton.
(Wikipedia calls him Sabbatai Zevi.)
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From bluesky:
Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.
Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.
...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from
Praise be that Lucifer didn't figure out that trick by 0 AD, otherwise we'd be living in a nice little black hole -
Unfortunately, this fails in both #physics and #theology.
The physics failure is in skipping part of the full energy–momentum relation. Energy does not imply mass. It implies mass or momentum. Photons have energy, but they do not have mass, for example.
The theology failure is that the Christian conception of God (the Father) is external to spacetime, i.e. transcendent. There's no metric tensor to apply. There's no general relativistic description for the relationship between God and the physical universe. General relativistic concepts like black holes do not apply.
Then you have the issue of God (the Son) as intercessor to deal with. Sins don't get sent straight to God the Father.
Good try. No cigar, though.
@JdeBP @cstross - (I'm going to regret this)
"Energy does not imply mass."
Thoroughly incorrect. They are literally the same thing.
"Photons have energy, but they do not have mass, for example."
Incorrect.
Photons have a _rest mass_ of zero; their mass consists entirely of the kinetic energy term. A photon has a mass of (h * frequency) / c^2.
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@JdeBP @cstross - (I'm going to regret this)
"Energy does not imply mass."
Thoroughly incorrect. They are literally the same thing.
"Photons have energy, but they do not have mass, for example."
Incorrect.
Photons have a _rest mass_ of zero; their mass consists entirely of the kinetic energy term. A photon has a mass of (h * frequency) / c^2.
You are likely going to regret that. (-:
When discussing the energy–momentum relation, mass *is* by convention rest mass, as the usual formulation E^2=m^2×c^4+(p×c)^2 is in terms of rest mass m.
The relation says that energy does not imply mass when m=0. Energy implies the momentum portion of the sum, which photons have, defined as p=h/λ.
With m=0 the full form reduces to E^2=(p×c)^2 which after substitution for photon momentum becomes E=c×h/λ=h×f .
But this does not become a statement about mass. It's fallacious to then substitute E=m×c^2 and solve for m to get m=h×f/c^2 .
E=m×c^2 is a different reduced case for massive stationary objects (m>0, p=0), neither of which is the case for photons. Furthermore, the maths yields divergent γ=∞ Taylor series sums when u=c so thinking of K.E. terms for photons is aphysical.
Energy-mass equivalence is a special form for the case of m>0, γ≠∞. Energy does not imply mass in the general case.
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