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@Viss Doctor.
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@aburka @Viss This is kind of a well-known thing among experienced community moderators already, though - it's always just a handful of people inciting shit and riling up everyone else. Even in the context of school bullying, it's the same thing - a few bullies and a pile of bystanders.
Where it often goes wrong in practice is that people are afraid to moderate decisively against such people because those people tend to be very good at walking lines, and with a prevailing ideology of "you can't ban someone unless they are clearly breaking a defined rule".... well, you can see where this is going.
Pretty much the only working defense against this sort of toxicity is moderating subjectively for community health rather than legalistically, and just not enough places are willing to do that today.@joepie91 @aburka @Viss family therapist Patrick teahan writes: "toxic families, friend circles, and work environments tend to dance around the most toxic person." Usually because that person makes it incredibly unpleasant for anyone who challenges them.
Teahan continues: "Systems cater to the most toxic and...fuck that."
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxsKd0zxf2GgSsY-so7iunYKgOfcvc6Ftf?si=nKkaCMhiTd6Q2aW8
(When he refers to "systems", he's coming from the "family systems" perspective, which is very helpful in analyzing family dynamics, but also social dynamics in many kinds of groups.)
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@joepie91 @aburka @Viss I've observed in physical space bullying that there is a third type of person, who cares about being liked, but also is drawn to what they mistakenly perceive as power. They become the bullies' hangers-on without pushing boundaries so far they feel like they've become entirely unlikable to bystanders who are not targeted by the bullies but dislike their behavior anyway. (There may or may not be a political movement built on a shaky coalition of these sorts. And I may or may not have thought about this a lot in the context of a relative I understand a little too well.)
Online those people are the mealymouthed enablers. "Well, they do make an interesting point..." isn't enough to get them banned. When the bullies are banned they back off and won't make trouble on their own, but as soon as a new bully arrives they start supporting the behavior again.
@theotherbrook @aburka @Viss This is a very good point, and I could think of a few people in communities I've recently been involved in who would meet that description.
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@theotherbrook @aburka @Viss This is a very good point, and I could think of a few people in communities I've recently been involved in who would meet that description.
@joepie91 @theotherbrook @aburka a distinct handful come to mind from the infosec scene before the big twitter meltdown
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@Viss okey then! Time to go to bed 💤
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Demo gorgon. Can you imagine if it was an actual gorgon? -
@Viss That is the most awesome pizza I've seen all year.
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@Viss "People, when I said Virtual Insanity, this is *not* what I meant!"
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@Viss why’d you have to drop that bomb on me
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@Viss they tried to warn us, but we were so distracted by the neo funk groove and their smooth moves to pay attention…
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@Viss uhm akshuly, Jamiroquai is the name of the whole band, and the weird hat guy who spent 22 hours a day, staring at our phones, is Jason Kay.
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@h2onolan awww yiss
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@Viss That is the most awesome pizza I've seen all year.
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i'd love to think this will encourage the return of actual physical headphone jacks on phones and laptops but there are not enough paranoid consumers, i fear.
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@funnymonkey @Viss some of those people also carrying on about how juice jacking is just totally not a thing while the O.MG cable has been around a long time now and most android phones are on end of life OSes that will never get updates.
It’s fine. It’s all fine.
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i'd love to think this will encourage the return of actual physical headphone jacks on phones and laptops but there are not enough paranoid consumers, i fear.
@paul_ipv6 this won't, but gen z will
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