"Your driving privacy expires with your current car’s lifespan"

[arisummerland@beige.party]

@IanHill this is unpleasant news! I've been thinking about getting a new EV truck. I guess I better pony up and get it this year?! (I guess I can email the manufacturer and ask them when they're going to comply with this rule). I don't drive that much; I'll drive my 2010 Honda until the wheels fall off. I would not want a car's AI telling me that I can't go run errands because I look tired. 🙄

[darcmoughty@infosec.exchange]

@IanHill the insult added to this injury is the almost complete lack of traffic enforcement out there. I'm seeing a pattern across the board on almost everything where technology is expected to handle things while people with authority have "bigger fish to fry", but those fish ain't getting fried, either.

[dave_cochran@infosec.exchange]

@IanHill @jerry "The federal government promises this surveillance saves 9,000-10,000 lives annually. "

The US population according to census.gov is some 342,000,000 people.

10,000/342,000,000 = 0.00002924

0.002924% is what they say this will save.

great.

[dave_cochran@infosec.exchange]

@IanHill @jerry but GOD FORBID we give kids vaccines

[davidm_yeg@mstdn.ca]

@IanHill

Ultimately we desperately need to just get everyone out of their cars altogether, but I certainly never predicted the route to that would be making cars both so unreliable and so snitchy that no one would want to own or use one anymore… 🤷‍♂️

[solitha@mastodon.social]

@dave_cochran It's Biden-era legislation. Back when vaccines were encouraged, too.

If the auto industry can't get this derailed under the Trump regime for capitalist reasons, it's because the regime wants that surveillance, not because of the lives it may save.

@IanHill @jerry

[dave_cochran@infosec.exchange]

@solitha @IanHill @jerry 1) Biden was a pansy who could have ACTUALLY encouraged vaccines instead of being entirely passive towards the antivax fuckheads. However,

2) It was meant as more of a catch-all than a specific gripe - the aforementioned fuckheads are a symptom of a greater problem. I could just as easily have swapped "gun control" or "epstein-class accountability" or "an EPA with actual teeth" in for "vaccinating kids".

[marsiposa@social.coop]

@IanHill have you seen any other source indicating that this is actually happening or what specific tech are they referring to? I followed the links in the article and they all lead to unrelated topics. For instance, the only link that leads to a government source is referring to automatic braking, not ai-driven monitoring.

It seems this discussion has been going on for a while, with forced interpretations being spread online every now and then. For instance, from 2022:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

An article with links leading to unrelated topics makes me think it was AI written.

[maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza]

@dave_cochran @IanHill @jerry The NHTSA says about 12K people are killed per year in alcohol-related accidents (and also ~600 from drowsy driving), so the claim is that this would save three quarters of those. That seems optimistic at best?

[thecampbell@mastodon.social]

@IanHill Thank God the current car is a near quarter century old Ford Explorer that does 2000 miles in a serious driving year...

[maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza]

@USBTypeSTeve @IanHill It will report you as already dead.

[dukeduke@mastodon.social]

@IanHill One more good reason to continue driving my '13, until one of us cashes or crashes out.

[gimulnautti@mastodon.green]

@IanHill Oh no. My car always thinks I look tired and I should take a break, no matter how alert I am.

As usual, the confidence of the AI sector is much higher than the capabilities of the technology!

[tuban_muzuru@beige.party]

@IanHill

I smell a "V Chip"

[tuban_muzuru@beige.party]

@IanHill

Okay, let 'em attempt to track all these people via their cars. Not really much different from an APB, legally.

They'd need a warrant of course - did it say anything about a warrant? Uh... no?

But here's something we can do, on our side of the fence. Everyone has to submit their odometer readings on their tax returns.

Commuters' employers have to pay tax on those miles. Watch remote employment stats zoom up

[pomegranate_stew@kind.social]

@IanHill
I used to joke that my current car (13 years old) was the last car I’d be buying. Guess it wasn’t a joke.

[liquor_american@universeodon.com]

@pomegranate_stew @IanHill In the same boat here. I already didn't like all the touch screen bullshit in cars in 2013, but at least it wasn't all yet "upgraded" to be straight-up malware.

[ianhill@infosec.exchange]

@marsiposa I found this on the NHTSA site - https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-07/Report-to-Congress-Advanced-Impaired-Driving-Prevention-Technology_07-17-23.pdf

which contains the language

"NHTSA is working on the development of objective test method(s) to demonstrate the ability to measure a driver’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) level passively and accurately. This area includes the development of proxy test tool(s) that could replicate the behavior of a typical person’s actions (breathing, touching, eye glaze etc.)"

and

"NHTSA is seeking information and researching on-road countermeasures that respond to driver impairment detections. These could include, but are not limited to, visual/auditory/haptic warnings, vehicle control interventions (i.e., speed reduction, stop in lane, stop on the shoulder, etc.), and ignition/transmission interlocks"

[fizzydaisies@mas.to]

@marsiposa @IanHill This article from January explains how efforts to block the law failed

https://reclaimthenet.org/house-vote-keeps-federal-kill-switch-vehicle-mandat

[raphaelmorgan@disabled.social]

@IanHill I do want to point out that "Your driving privacy expires with your current car’s lifespan" only applies to people buying *new* cars. Those of us who are too poor for that shit anyway, and those of us who have decided never to buy a new car (or never again) for environmental reasons will not be impacted by this until we can't find used cars older than 2027. Maintaining old cars is now even more important! We already need to for environmental reasons, but this is a great new motivation 😅