Made a graph of the "wider" fediverse - is this correct?
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Been reading some docs and felt like drawing to get a better picture.
Some things to note:
- Parenthesis indicate bridges
- Fed Bridgy and Mostr appear twice because I don't know if they allow cross-communication
- One-way arrows (→) indicate one-way communication, and two-ways arrows (⇄) indicate the two sides can talk with each other
- Threads to/from Facebook and Instagram communication appears with an interrogation mark because the information I could find didn't feel conclusive and I don't have an account to test myself
- Maybe I missed some bridges and protocols, but that'd be more of a lack of knowing; also intentionally ignored X/Twitter > Nitter > RSS > ActicityPub bridges because it felt too much of a stretch.
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Been reading some docs and felt like drawing to get a better picture.
Some things to note:
- Parenthesis indicate bridges
- Fed Bridgy and Mostr appear twice because I don't know if they allow cross-communication
- One-way arrows (→) indicate one-way communication, and two-ways arrows (⇄) indicate the two sides can talk with each other
- Threads to/from Facebook and Instagram communication appears with an interrogation mark because the information I could find didn't feel conclusive and I don't have an account to test myself
- Maybe I missed some bridges and protocols, but that'd be more of a lack of knowing; also intentionally ignored X/Twitter > Nitter > RSS > ActicityPub bridges because it felt too much of a stretch.
If you're talking protocols, then why is WordPress there?
If you include Wordpress there are about 100 other softwares that should also show up, but then you also need more paper 😁
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Wasn't quite sure how to fit WordPress, as well as either Minds and Threads, as all 3 end up being, from what I could tell, hybrids.
But interesting. Now that you mention it, I remembered NodeBB also implemented ActivityPub compatibility, though can't remember if it's through optional plugins or if it became an ActivityPub platform altogether. Gonna look up what other softwares are in this situation too.
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Been reading some docs and felt like drawing to get a better picture.
Some things to note:
- Parenthesis indicate bridges
- Fed Bridgy and Mostr appear twice because I don't know if they allow cross-communication
- One-way arrows (→) indicate one-way communication, and two-ways arrows (⇄) indicate the two sides can talk with each other
- Threads to/from Facebook and Instagram communication appears with an interrogation mark because the information I could find didn't feel conclusive and I don't have an account to test myself
- Maybe I missed some bridges and protocols, but that'd be more of a lack of knowing; also intentionally ignored X/Twitter > Nitter > RSS > ActicityPub bridges because it felt too much of a stretch.
Cool. Looks about right to me, not that I'm an expert. Bridgy Fed and Mostr do allow you to chain them together and do Nostr <> AT communication (though more recently there's also Eclipse.Pub that does Nostr <> AT). There are also a few other protocols still in use (Diaspora, DFRN, Zot, Nomad - Diaspora, Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams respectively) although all but Diaspora all internally bridge to Activity Pub so I'm not sure how they'd fit into your model.
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Wasn't quite sure how to fit WordPress, as well as either Minds and Threads, as all 3 end up being, from what I could tell, hybrids.
But interesting. Now that you mention it, I remembered NodeBB also implemented ActivityPub compatibility, though can't remember if it's through optional plugins or if it became an ActivityPub platform altogether. Gonna look up what other softwares are in this situation too.
NodeBB supports ActivityPub out of the box (no plugins) as of v4 🙂
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NodeBB supports ActivityPub out of the box (no plugins) as of v4 🙂
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Cool. Looks about right to me, not that I'm an expert. Bridgy Fed and Mostr do allow you to chain them together and do Nostr <> AT communication (though more recently there's also Eclipse.Pub that does Nostr <> AT). There are also a few other protocols still in use (Diaspora, DFRN, Zot, Nomad - Diaspora, Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams respectively) although all but Diaspora all internally bridge to Activity Pub so I'm not sure how they'd fit into your model.
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Hmm, how do you reconcile the fact that not all FEPs are applicable to all application types?
For example soft deletion is preferable but not required...
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>Currently it's hard to read, there is no single document. No single source of truth.
We can make it happen.
I am currently working on this: https://codeberg.org/ap-next/ap-next/src/branch/main/guide.md. It's a guide for developers, but in the future it may be used as a base for a more formal specification.
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I knew that there was some kind of unifying force in the Fediverse. Thanks for sharing it.
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Hi Melroy from Mbin. It's true what you are saying Julian. These FEPs forms the basic of the fediverse.
But at the same time I hate those FEPs alot. I would rather see a more detailed and better described ActivityPub protocol v2.0 or 3.0. My point is that the current ActivityPub is way too vague.And we need dozens of various FEPs to get the features we actually need and want to get the basis features of today. Currently it's hard to read, there is no single document. No single source of truth. All FEPs are actually optional to implement. And it's a mess.
Could you imagine if an internet standard like http or TCP was documented like this? It would never have worked.
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Indeed, this is where the majority of improvements to the Fediverse are shared for archival.
The very way Lemmy Piefed Mbin and NodeBB can communicate and synchronize communities is detailed in those FEPs. Check out FEP 1b12.
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Thats super cool!
