You know us: at Dyne, we've never been the type to spy on our own people.
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So we're leaving. Not in anger: in hope.
Come find us on @matrix It's encrypted, decentralized, and ours. No IDs, no surveillance, just conversation.
๐ https://socials.dyne.org/matrix
We saved you a seat: welcome!
@dyne nooo, don't go to Matrix! https://gagliardoni.net/#im_battle_2025
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@dyne nooo, don't go to Matrix! https://gagliardoni.net/#im_battle_2025
@tomgag that article seems pretty favorable to matrix. Either way, we make an effort to bridge channels to several different platforms when possible. Discord will no longer be one of them though.
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You know us: at Dyne, we've never been the type to spy on our own people. We're a community, not a dataset. But Discord's new age verification rules force exactly that: scanning IDs at the door like we're entering a nightclub, not a conversation.
๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ'๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด: ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐บ๐ถ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐๐ผ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ฎ ๐๐ฎ๐ณ๐ฒ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ป. A place free from corporate espionage, from communities being treated like products, from the endless noise of platforms that see you as a user, not a human.
@dyne #Matrix needs significant #moderation and #accessibility tools to be an effective community platform. And I say this as an instance owner.
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@dyne #Matrix needs significant #moderation and #accessibility tools to be an effective community platform. And I say this as an instance owner.
@reflex agreed! all platforms need significant moderation and accessibility to be effective community tools!
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@reflex agreed! all platforms need significant moderation and accessibility to be effective community tools!
@dyne What bothers me is that it's way, way behind Discord. Obviously like everyone else I want off the platform, but the alternatives all have significant drawbacks. Lack of basic features like Oauth or unifiedpush, apps that only connect to the main instance, obvious AI spaghetti code on the github, etc etc.
I'd like Matrix to be it, but it needs significant targeted investment to get to parity.
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@dyne What bothers me is that it's way, way behind Discord. Obviously like everyone else I want off the platform, but the alternatives all have significant drawbacks. Lack of basic features like Oauth or unifiedpush, apps that only connect to the main instance, obvious AI spaghetti code on the github, etc etc.
I'd like Matrix to be it, but it needs significant targeted investment to get to parity.
@reflex No software is perfect. The more people using it, the greater chances of improvement.
Care to share the alternative of your choice?
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@reflex No software is perfect. The more people using it, the greater chances of improvement.
Care to share the alternative of your choice?
@dyne The closest I've seen to being a drop in replacement appears to be Zulip. The drawback is that push notifications must go through their service for apps, no UnifiedPush option, and over 10 users it's paid (with a excemption for non-profits/clubs). From a privacy standpoint that's a problem imo.
Going to experiment with it a bit.
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@dyne The closest I've seen to being a drop in replacement appears to be Zulip. The drawback is that push notifications must go through their service for apps, no UnifiedPush option, and over 10 users it's paid (with a excemption for non-profits/clubs). From a privacy standpoint that's a problem imo.
Going to experiment with it a bit.
@dyne Stoat is commonly brought up, but unfortunately it's apps can only connect to their servers, you are on your own for apps if you don't use their server.
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@dyne The closest I've seen to being a drop in replacement appears to be Zulip. The drawback is that push notifications must go through their service for apps, no UnifiedPush option, and over 10 users it's paid (with a excemption for non-profits/clubs). From a privacy standpoint that's a problem imo.
Going to experiment with it a bit.
@reflex take a look at @Framasoft fork of Mattermost maybe. "Mostlymatter" it's called. Sounds like it would be something you're looking for!
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@reflex take a look at @Framasoft fork of Mattermost maybe. "Mostlymatter" it's called. Sounds like it would be something you're looking for!
https://framagit.org/framasoft/framateam/mostlymatter@dyne @Framasoft Thank you, I'll have a look!
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@dyne What bothers me is that it's way, way behind Discord. Obviously like everyone else I want off the platform, but the alternatives all have significant drawbacks. Lack of basic features like Oauth or unifiedpush, apps that only connect to the main instance, obvious AI spaghetti code on the github, etc etc.
I'd like Matrix to be it, but it needs significant targeted investment to get to parity.
@reflex @dyne
are you talking about matrix here or not?if so
what apps only connect to the "main" instance? this sounds like stoat not matrix
what AI spaghetti code?
matrix has supported SSO for ages and the spec itself is moving towards native OAuth. Auth methods are up to the server admins, even matrix.org has various social login options like github and google
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@reflex @dyne
are you talking about matrix here or not?if so
what apps only connect to the "main" instance? this sounds like stoat not matrix
what AI spaghetti code?
matrix has supported SSO for ages and the spec itself is moving towards native OAuth. Auth methods are up to the server admins, even matrix.org has various social login options like github and google
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@reflex @dyne
are you talking about matrix here or not?if so
what apps only connect to the "main" instance? this sounds like stoat not matrix
what AI spaghetti code?
matrix has supported SSO for ages and the spec itself is moving towards native OAuth. Auth methods are up to the server admins, even matrix.org has various social login options like github and google
@haise @reflex
right! maybe i misunderstand what ntfy.sh is and it's different from unifiedpush... but.. i use that for all the notifications from matrix... for the diehard discord peeps, i'd suggest trying @commetchat -
@haise @dyne I mean Matrix has in my opinion larger issues than most of the alternatives. Community safety and accessibility are tier 1 concerns for a public server.
The others tend to have other inconveniences, as listed in mine. Some may or may not matter to people depending on their use case.
I'm not dissing on Matrix here, but it's not broadly suitable as a discord replacement for communities of significant size.
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@haise @dyne I mean Matrix has in my opinion larger issues than most of the alternatives. Community safety and accessibility are tier 1 concerns for a public server.
The others tend to have other inconveniences, as listed in mine. Some may or may not matter to people depending on their use case.
I'm not dissing on Matrix here, but it's not broadly suitable as a discord replacement for communities of significant size.
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@haise @dyne Yes, and it is woefully inadequate. Have a look at the experience #GrapheneOS had with Matrix moderation. They have listed in great detail how inadequate the tools are.
As a small instance owner I've run into similar myself, but the worst has been UI/UX/Accessibility. It is so damn easy to lose access to message history and having to explain to users repeatedly to backup their decryption keys somewhere safe is ridiculous.
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@haise @dyne Yes, and it is woefully inadequate. Have a look at the experience #GrapheneOS had with Matrix moderation. They have listed in great detail how inadequate the tools are.
As a small instance owner I've run into similar myself, but the worst has been UI/UX/Accessibility. It is so damn easy to lose access to message history and having to explain to users repeatedly to backup their decryption keys somewhere safe is ridiculous.
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@haise @dyne Yes, and it is woefully inadequate. Have a look at the experience #GrapheneOS had with Matrix moderation. They have listed in great detail how inadequate the tools are.
As a small instance owner I've run into similar myself, but the worst has been UI/UX/Accessibility. It is so damn easy to lose access to message history and having to explain to users repeatedly to backup their decryption keys somewhere safe is ridiculous.
@reflex @haise
Now you got me confused with grapheneOS's discord moderation issues... But i wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement about decryption key. That's mostly a failure of community builders to educate their community. Security is not an app or a killer UX: it's knowledge and experience. -
@reflex @haise
Now you got me confused with grapheneOS's discord moderation issues... But i wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement about decryption key. That's mostly a failure of community builders to educate their community. Security is not an app or a killer UX: it's knowledge and experience.
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@evan I agree... that characterization has been a bugaboo of mine.
"User" is a perfectly cromulent word.
