I've been shushing people who say there won't be free #elections in the #USA anymore
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@StarkRG @benroyce Pleasure. And since this is getting boosted a lot, I'll repeat what I said to you before: I know hardcore anarchists - the sort who think all top-down power structures (including the state itself) should be completely dismantled, and the only real democracy is grassroots and community-led - who 👉🏼still vote👈🏼, because they recognise that however broken the current system may be, keeping the far right out of government, both locally and nationally, is still hugely important!
@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman I firmly believe that doing any little bit of harm reduction you have available to you, however insignificant, is worth doing. And voting is one of those things (particularly in local council elections in the UK, where turnout is around 30% but actually the ideology of the council makes a huge difference to things in people's day to day lives like road or cycle lane funding, recycling collections etc)
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@StarkRG @benroyce Pleasure. And since this is getting boosted a lot, I'll repeat what I said to you before: I know hardcore anarchists - the sort who think all top-down power structures (including the state itself) should be completely dismantled, and the only real democracy is grassroots and community-led - who 👉🏼still vote👈🏼, because they recognise that however broken the current system may be, keeping the far right out of government, both locally and nationally, is still hugely important!
voting is just tactics in a larger war
and "waah, but i want perfect, waah" is immature impotency
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@benroyce @jawarajabbi I think you guys are missing the point... They mean third party as in people that the people want to vote for, like Zohran Mamdani.
Politics in the USA is broken... The dems are not putting forward candidates that the people actually want. I have a feeling that a lot of "back room" politics have something to do with this.
Voter turn out is something like 60-65%
This should be a big enough indicator something is wrong.Mamdani ran as a democrat
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Mamdani ran as a democrat
@benroyce @jawarajabbi Yes, a person people wanted to vote for...
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@benroyce @jawarajabbi Yes, a person people wanted to vote for...
a person people wanted to vote for *because they voted for him*
Mamdani is elected because people showed the fuck up, not because the democrat org offered him to us
you have cause and effect backwards
we show up, we get 50 Mamdanis
we complain the dem org isn't serving us what we want: stupid lazy excuse making = no Mamdanis
we just show the fuck up
that's it
we're in charge
fuck establishment dems, they're a red herring
Mamdani proves they don't matter, we matter
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@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman I firmly believe that doing any little bit of harm reduction you have available to you, however insignificant, is worth doing. And voting is one of those things (particularly in local council elections in the UK, where turnout is around 30% but actually the ideology of the council makes a huge difference to things in people's day to day lives like road or cycle lane funding, recycling collections etc)
@StarkRG @benroyce @afewbugs Yeah. I was part of a team of 18 volunteers who dropped around 13,000 leaflets across two campaigns - an unofficial one against Reform UK, and an official one in support of the independent candidate - in the run-up to a local by-election. Sadly Reform still narrowly won, but we did manage to shave a few percentile points off their vote share.
Yet most of us think the electoral system is beyond repair. Allowing cynicism to become inaction is, as Ben says, juvenile. 🤷🏻♂️
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a person people wanted to vote for *because they voted for him*
Mamdani is elected because people showed the fuck up, not because the democrat org offered him to us
you have cause and effect backwards
we show up, we get 50 Mamdanis
we complain the dem org isn't serving us what we want: stupid lazy excuse making = no Mamdanis
we just show the fuck up
that's it
we're in charge
fuck establishment dems, they're a red herring
Mamdani proves they don't matter, we matter
@benroyce @jawarajabbi Yeah, and Clinton was the right choice in 2016...
Berni would have been a much better choice but Clinton was business as usual.
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@benroyce @jawarajabbi Yeah, and Clinton was the right choice in 2016...
Berni would have been a much better choice but Clinton was business as usual.
what are you saying
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@StarkRG @benroyce @afewbugs Yeah. I was part of a team of 18 volunteers who dropped around 13,000 leaflets across two campaigns - an unofficial one against Reform UK, and an official one in support of the independent candidate - in the run-up to a local by-election. Sadly Reform still narrowly won, but we did manage to shave a few percentile points off their vote share.
Yet most of us think the electoral system is beyond repair. Allowing cynicism to become inaction is, as Ben says, juvenile. 🤷🏻♂️
@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman it's a commitment to personal purity, never sullying yourself by touching a system that's less than 100% perfect, over actually attempting to make things a bit better in the world
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@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman it's a commitment to personal purity, never sullying yourself by touching a system that's less than 100% perfect, over actually attempting to make things a bit better in the world
@afewbugs @StarkRG @ApostateEnglishman
yup
and this toxic idealism is selfish, self-serving navel gazing ineffectuality
nonvoters don't have political positions, they have psychological positions
it's a form of coping. it has nothing to do with making the world a better place
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what are you saying
@benroyce @jawarajabbi You want votes, you put up candidates that people want to vote for...
The other way around doesn't work.
It will save you guys now because voting blue no matter who will get MAGA out.
Again the whole system in the USA is broken.
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@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman it's a commitment to personal purity, never sullying yourself by touching a system that's less than 100% perfect, over actually attempting to make things a bit better in the world
@StarkRG @benroyce @ApostateEnglishman and I do think the first past the post system is irredeemable and needs replacing, but in the meantime I'll work within it as much as I can, try to help spread the South Devon Primary model (https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/the-peoples-primary---the-book-1) AND campaign for electoral reform #UKpol
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@afewbugs @StarkRG @ApostateEnglishman
yup
and this toxic idealism is selfish, self-serving navel gazing ineffectuality
nonvoters don't have political positions, they have psychological positions
it's a form of coping. it has nothing to do with making the world a better place
@benroyce @afewbugs @StarkRG @ApostateEnglishman It's also a great way of not having to take responsibility for any decisions you make except OOPS it's not. But I'm convinced a lot of people - on some level, maybe not top level but it's in there - think it is.
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@benroyce @jawarajabbi You want votes, you put up candidates that people want to vote for...
The other way around doesn't work.
It will save you guys now because voting blue no matter who will get MAGA out.
Again the whole system in the USA is broken.
i don't know why you don't get the point
the dem establishment served us cuomo in nyc
the people said "fuck that" and so we got mamdani
this notion "the establishment didn't serve us what we want so i'm not voting" means cuomo would be mayor now
new yorkers showed us who has the real power
we can spread this across the country
but first we have to lose your ridiculous mentality of blaming our own lazy inaction on others rather than just fucking showing up and voting
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@benroyce
There is no one as tedious and annoying as the "both sides suck" "you're just voting for the lesser of two evils" edgelords -
i don't know why you don't get the point
the dem establishment served us cuomo in nyc
the people said "fuck that" and so we got mamdani
this notion "the establishment didn't serve us what we want so i'm not voting" means cuomo would be mayor now
new yorkers showed us who has the real power
we can spread this across the country
but first we have to lose your ridiculous mentality of blaming our own lazy inaction on others rather than just fucking showing up and voting
@benroyce @jawarajabbi Oh, I get it... I was an American and voted many years.
I know what it is like to go to the polls and not like both candidates. People don't vote because they don't feel represented.
Nothing changes for the better so my vote doesn't count.
This is the real problem.
This is the system... The broken system, that doesn't represent "The People".
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