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I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before.

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  • @lispi314 @alice i guess the assumption is that you'd see that in your own dms
    @arh @alice That'd really only happen if you have the same kind of reach & presentation though.
  • @DJGummikuh the problem is that it isn't just "human garbage" truly shitty people only make up a tiny percentage of the total. It's the guy who was "just joking" about your skirt length, or the people on the bus who decide it's "not their problem", or the lady who makes a comment about how articulate her black neighbor is.

    It's the casual "🤷🏼‍♀️ what're ya gonna do about it" bigotry and entitlement that permeates every pore of society.

    @alice @DJGummikuh

    Very well put.
    I hear all those comments and many similar quite often in the conversations of people that pass by my table as I have my morning coffee.

  • @arh @alice That'd really only happen if you have the same kind of reach & presentation though.
    @lispi314 @alice yeah, but it's also the only way you can see that (unless someone is posting their messages publicly)
  • @alice
    Just satirical comments on Ur "Coming of Age" tales (which I think are hilarious)❗️ 😂😃

  • @AlexanderVI @alice Not very often, and usually not more than once. Worst case, twice.

    Sometimes I don't recognize it until someone else calls it out, but you learn new things all the time and I count that call-out as "once".

  • @lispi314 @alice yeah, but it's also the only way you can see that (unless someone is posting their messages publicly)

    @arh @lispi314 the point is that they don't see it until it happens to them, and until it happens to them (if it ever does), it's easy to dismiss it as not being the huge pervasive problem it is.

  • I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before. Sure, I knew that there were Hondas and Hyundais, but unless someone was actively pointing them out, I couldn't tell you which was which.

    Then I became the owner of a little red Ford Focus, and I started driving it around.

    Next thing I knew, I was spotting them *everywhere*. I'd come out of the grocer and there'd be identical ones parked on both sides of me! Hell, I eventually got a window decal so I could more easily tell which was mine 😋

    A couple years ago I discovered I was lactose intolerant, and—bear with me, these stories are connected—I started keeping lactaid with me wherever I went (just to be safe). I started paying attention to just how much dairy was in things, and wow, spoiler: it's in like *everything* 😅

    Over the past couple years, I've gotten pretty used to being lactose intolerant. I keep lactase handy, and I watch out for things with "too much dairy". It's just become background noise—like noticing other Ford Focuses (Foci?). It's just part of my life now.

    A couple months ago I got propositioned by a creep in my hotel's lobby.

    A couple weeks ago I had slurs yelled at me as I walked down the street with my mom.

    A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    @alice dang, I'm sorry A 🖤

  • @alice as a cis white male growing up in USA, I can unequivocally agree.

    I think I've always seen bigotry, a little, but the micro aggressions, the constant everyday bias, was less visible.

    Until I noticed it in myself.

    And realized at twenty something that nothing was gone. Except perhaps some overtly legal protection for bigotry.

    But now that I know where to look? Everywhere!

    @ketmorco @alice the worst bit about this is how everyone who doesn’t see it gaslights those who do.

    it’s exhausting.

  • @DJGummikuh the problem is that it isn't just "human garbage" truly shitty people only make up a tiny percentage of the total. It's the guy who was "just joking" about your skirt length, or the people on the bus who decide it's "not their problem", or the lady who makes a comment about how articulate her black neighbor is.

    It's the casual "🤷🏼‍♀️ what're ya gonna do about it" bigotry and entitlement that permeates every pore of society.

    @alice @DJGummikuh

    racism is the water we swim in every single day. when I was 5/6, my liberal gay mother, would take us to eat at a restaurant called Sambo's (1975/6) in Seattle. I saw a post about the chain (2010's) and realized what the deal was. I have had white people casually say the n word, and all the words for black and brown people, to my face my whole life. the only pancake syrup we had in the house was the black slave/servant woman shaped bottle. it's everywhere.

  • @alice > A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    > Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    It's in DMs, how do they expect to see it?

    @lispi314 @alice I do see it outside of DMs and I report it every time, if they are a mutual I'll generally also call it out in a reply before I block and report

    It's horrific the kind of things people say to eachother on here. I don't see all of it, obviously, and I see enough of it that I worry about the stuff that's said out of sight

  • I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before. Sure, I knew that there were Hondas and Hyundais, but unless someone was actively pointing them out, I couldn't tell you which was which.

    Then I became the owner of a little red Ford Focus, and I started driving it around.

    Next thing I knew, I was spotting them *everywhere*. I'd come out of the grocer and there'd be identical ones parked on both sides of me! Hell, I eventually got a window decal so I could more easily tell which was mine 😋

    A couple years ago I discovered I was lactose intolerant, and—bear with me, these stories are connected—I started keeping lactaid with me wherever I went (just to be safe). I started paying attention to just how much dairy was in things, and wow, spoiler: it's in like *everything* 😅

    Over the past couple years, I've gotten pretty used to being lactose intolerant. I keep lactase handy, and I watch out for things with "too much dairy". It's just become background noise—like noticing other Ford Focuses (Foci?). It's just part of my life now.

    A couple months ago I got propositioned by a creep in my hotel's lobby.

    A couple weeks ago I had slurs yelled at me as I walked down the street with my mom.

    A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    @alice There was some research some time ago that Human pattern matching actually works like that. Humans never observe the actual distribution of things. They observe Red Ford Focus. And when they want to see it they see it everywhere.

  • Just to be explicit, that post was about how all the institutionalized/everyday/inherent sexism, racism, homophobia, bigotry, etc. is invisible to most folx until it directly impacts them.

    Just like I don't see 99% of the racism that does until someone points an example out to me, and just like I would've told you that I don't know anyone who drives a red Ford Focus until I started driving one myself.

    It's fucking everywhere...

    And to those it affects, it's just the background noise of existing while black/queer/femme/disabled/neurodivergent, and so on.

    @alice Yep. It's even worse when you realize that because of how federation works, you *only* get some of the subtle/microaggressive stuff unless you're on an instance with HELLA relays.

    At full blast, that shit's the equivalent of the sound of walking by a gigantic wasp nest.

  • Just to be explicit, that post was about how all the institutionalized/everyday/inherent sexism, racism, homophobia, bigotry, etc. is invisible to most folx until it directly impacts them.

    Just like I don't see 99% of the racism that does until someone points an example out to me, and just like I would've told you that I don't know anyone who drives a red Ford Focus until I started driving one myself.

    It's fucking everywhere...

    And to those it affects, it's just the background noise of existing while black/queer/femme/disabled/neurodivergent, and so on.

    @alice This in conjunction with the car-related analogy has made me realize... we actually do experience something along similar lines, though not nearly as severe as harassment

    we used to drive a saturn vue, which is not a huge car (by american standards) but also not a small one. but then several years ago we got a toyota prius, and ever since then driving at night has been unbearable
    -F

  • @alice This in conjunction with the car-related analogy has made me realize... we actually do experience something along similar lines, though not nearly as severe as harassment

    we used to drive a saturn vue, which is not a huge car (by american standards) but also not a small one. but then several years ago we got a toyota prius, and ever since then driving at night has been unbearable
    -F

    @alice this is because many, *many* cars have headlights that shine directly into the rearview mirror of the car in front of them, but only if that car is small enough, a problem we had never encountered before and now can't escape

    it makes me wonder, just how much did we contribute to that problem before knowing about it
    -F

  • I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before. Sure, I knew that there were Hondas and Hyundais, but unless someone was actively pointing them out, I couldn't tell you which was which.

    Then I became the owner of a little red Ford Focus, and I started driving it around.

    Next thing I knew, I was spotting them *everywhere*. I'd come out of the grocer and there'd be identical ones parked on both sides of me! Hell, I eventually got a window decal so I could more easily tell which was mine 😋

    A couple years ago I discovered I was lactose intolerant, and—bear with me, these stories are connected—I started keeping lactaid with me wherever I went (just to be safe). I started paying attention to just how much dairy was in things, and wow, spoiler: it's in like *everything* 😅

    Over the past couple years, I've gotten pretty used to being lactose intolerant. I keep lactase handy, and I watch out for things with "too much dairy". It's just become background noise—like noticing other Ford Focuses (Foci?). It's just part of my life now.

    A couple months ago I got propositioned by a creep in my hotel's lobby.

    A couple weeks ago I had slurs yelled at me as I walked down the street with my mom.

    A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    @alice I have never seen it, BUT, I'm a CISHET old man and I am so sorry that you, or anyone, has to put up with such hate!
  • @alice @DJGummikuh

    racism is the water we swim in every single day. when I was 5/6, my liberal gay mother, would take us to eat at a restaurant called Sambo's (1975/6) in Seattle. I saw a post about the chain (2010's) and realized what the deal was. I have had white people casually say the n word, and all the words for black and brown people, to my face my whole life. the only pancake syrup we had in the house was the black slave/servant woman shaped bottle. it's everywhere.

    @coolcalmcollected @alice @DJGummikuh
    This was independent from the main chain of Sambo's restaurants, but the date it closed is unreal. I remember this place being there and shaking my head in disbelief.

    https://www.wweek.com/restaurants/2022/11/02/lincoln-city-restaurant-lil-sambos-is-closing/

  • I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before. Sure, I knew that there were Hondas and Hyundais, but unless someone was actively pointing them out, I couldn't tell you which was which.

    Then I became the owner of a little red Ford Focus, and I started driving it around.

    Next thing I knew, I was spotting them *everywhere*. I'd come out of the grocer and there'd be identical ones parked on both sides of me! Hell, I eventually got a window decal so I could more easily tell which was mine 😋

    A couple years ago I discovered I was lactose intolerant, and—bear with me, these stories are connected—I started keeping lactaid with me wherever I went (just to be safe). I started paying attention to just how much dairy was in things, and wow, spoiler: it's in like *everything* 😅

    Over the past couple years, I've gotten pretty used to being lactose intolerant. I keep lactase handy, and I watch out for things with "too much dairy". It's just become background noise—like noticing other Ford Focuses (Foci?). It's just part of my life now.

    A couple months ago I got propositioned by a creep in my hotel's lobby.

    A couple weeks ago I had slurs yelled at me as I walked down the street with my mom.

    A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    @alice i tell a similar story about coming to terms with being trans. as a white lady it was revelatory. i knew plenty about transphobia already, but it was a whole other thing when you start reflecting how it will directly affect you. every transphobic or cisnormative thing people say sticks out at you. you start making mental notes of how unsafe people around you are. all of this was years before the media started paying attention to us - the constant demonization kind of attention

  • @alice i tell a similar story about coming to terms with being trans. as a white lady it was revelatory. i knew plenty about transphobia already, but it was a whole other thing when you start reflecting how it will directly affect you. every transphobic or cisnormative thing people say sticks out at you. you start making mental notes of how unsafe people around you are. all of this was years before the media started paying attention to us - the constant demonization kind of attention

    @alice something very valuable i took from the experience was this: this is how bigotry works; not in every way of course. all forms have their unique dynamics

    it made me aware how invisible bigotry is to those it doesn't affect. it taught me how harmful apathy from 'well meaning' people is. it taught me how important it is to proactively make spaces safe for marginalized people

    and i trusted all my trans siblings would learn this too

  • @alice something very valuable i took from the experience was this: this is how bigotry works; not in every way of course. all forms have their unique dynamics

    it made me aware how invisible bigotry is to those it doesn't affect. it taught me how harmful apathy from 'well meaning' people is. it taught me how important it is to proactively make spaces safe for marginalized people

    and i trusted all my trans siblings would learn this too

    @alice it so deeply disapponted me when i came to realize so many of my fellow white trans people instead responded to becoming aware they were marginalize with "oh dear. there must be some sort of mistake. i was promised he benefits of white privilege. this needs to be corrected", going on to advocate only for their own liberation

    it's not enough to be exposed to the hidden dynamics of oppression. we all must make the work to learn it, to live for the liberation of all. solidarity forever

  • I'm not a car person, so I never really paid attention to car makes or models before. Sure, I knew that there were Hondas and Hyundais, but unless someone was actively pointing them out, I couldn't tell you which was which.

    Then I became the owner of a little red Ford Focus, and I started driving it around.

    Next thing I knew, I was spotting them *everywhere*. I'd come out of the grocer and there'd be identical ones parked on both sides of me! Hell, I eventually got a window decal so I could more easily tell which was mine 😋

    A couple years ago I discovered I was lactose intolerant, and—bear with me, these stories are connected—I started keeping lactaid with me wherever I went (just to be safe). I started paying attention to just how much dairy was in things, and wow, spoiler: it's in like *everything* 😅

    Over the past couple years, I've gotten pretty used to being lactose intolerant. I keep lactase handy, and I watch out for things with "too much dairy". It's just become background noise—like noticing other Ford Focuses (Foci?). It's just part of my life now.

    A couple months ago I got propositioned by a creep in my hotel's lobby.

    A couple weeks ago I had slurs yelled at me as I walked down the street with my mom.

    A couple days ago someone told me to kill myself in a DM.

    Every day, someone says "really? I don't see stuff like that here".

    @alice damn this post took a turn, I was ready with the "hocus pocus there's pizza on yer Focus" but now I'm just outraged instead

    Edit for those who would still like a little laugh after this very important post - https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L1WAOByxzYA


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