I don't think people here realized yet how much development has sped up in the "atmosphere*"

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@dansup @stefan until this is compatible with mastodon this doesn't really work, then there are whole threads that the OP doesn't know about happening in response to their posts.

[stefan@stefanbohacek.online]

@dansup Really nice to see someone taking safety features seriously!

Do hidden comments federate? That is honestly a great feature to have, I only thought of this recently during a conversation around reply controls, as a potential way to deal with the delay caused by the roundtrips needed to verify if a reply can be posted.

(Presumably this works differently on Loops, definitely curious to learn more.)

@liaizon

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@cdonat @admin @anewsocial if you want to start with a base thats already in the wild and working, WAFRN or Bridgy Fed are the only options today.

[dansup@mastodon.social]

@liaizon @stefan So?

If the Pixelfed/Loops user wants to disable comments, and other software doesn't respect that, why would the Pixel/Loops user care about ghost threads/replies?

We're focused on providing better/safer experiences for our users, and if other platforms don't abide by that, okay, but I'm not sure it's as pressing of an issue as you think it is.

We will get this fixed with interactionPolicy, people love our platforms because we have supported this for years.

[dansup@mastodon.social]

@stefan @liaizon We don't yet federate the hidden state, but soon will.

If you have a Loops.video account, you can see this in action here (press Load more until you see the Show hidden comments button): https://loops.video/v/5YvxWOxcRa

(Hidden comments require auth, but I'm going to remove that limitation in the next update)

[elexia@catcatnya.com]

@liaizon okay so what exactly do we need to have and why?

[stefan@stefanbohacek.online]

@dansup Very cool!

@liaizon

[cdonat@hostsharing.coop]

@liaizon @admin @anewsocial

Thank you very much. Since I like Python more than TypeScript, Bridgy is probably the best starting point.

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@elexia have you explored how the lexicon system there works?

[elexia@catcatnya.com]

@liaizon no. what could have possibly prompted me to do this? I don't use the thing.

[jfred@jawns.club]

@liaizon If my understanding of things is correct, this seems like the kind of thing that could be accomplished in the fediverse using ActivityPub C2S. Which of course depends on C2S actually getting some use... but a more generic ActivityPub server with varying C2S frontends could get us there, I think

[ree@shitposter.world]

@sun @liaizon I hope one day I can be something so we have pleroma being a little popular. How I see it it's free software (gnu) vs Linux again but with social media fontends like do you like bootleg Twitter or bootleg tweet deck

[ree@shitposter.world]

@ruben @liaizon I'm waiting for people getting sick of twitter etc.

[ree@shitposter.world]

@liaizon blusky is one website so far so centralized it's just twitter lite.

[ruben@friendship.quest]

@stefan@stefanbohacek.online @liaizon Yeah, I'm definitely thinking more from the microblogging point-of-view, which I use more. I can see pixelfed, something like piefed, or a brand-new type of application eventually going there.

I think it could be mainstream, but I don't feel strongly about whether it should.

The culture/s fostered in the fediverse seem to me at-odds with current mainstream social media culture: connection vs consumption, control vs convenience, small and close-knit vs firehose, etc. I think a culture shift more than a technical/ux one would determine this.

I would still like to see all those technical and user-friendliness improvements come to fedi though.

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@jfred there are lots of paths that could help, this being one of them, but some of those paths would actually need a combined effort and be widely promoted so that the ecosystem actually starts adopting them and that takes quite alot of time

[stefan@stefanbohacek.online]

@ruben All very good points!

And honestly, I also care less about fediverse being mainstream than about growing the diversity here.

But also, I really do want us to move beyond corporations being the middlemen of our social connections. Honestly, if ATProto takes off, Bluesky eventually folds, and the future is independent Atmosphere communities, that's really not so bad.

I care a lot less about the tech stack than who controls it.

(Okay, I will never get used to the ATProto-style usernames, for that reason alone, I hope the fediverse "wins".)

[fivexhotel@autonomous.zone]

@liaizon ohh wafrn looks very cool

[liaizon@social.wake.st]

@fivexhotel try it out. They already have an Android app too that's very good

[bike@social.translunar.academy]

@liaizon I think Bsky/atp has already won the protocol war in the sense that it will be the dominant mainstream federated social media platform of the future (unfortunately). I think there's a few reasons why this happened. one is that it was a closer like for like X/Twitter replacement during the musk takeover and only had a single instantiation at the time vs Masto/fedi having a bunch and needing an explainer about them. I also think that therev was a decent amount of FUD that was put out at the time about fedi being confusing that hindered its adoption. lastly I think "big" accounts were put off by the idea of server level defederation. Someday I think someone will write the post-mortem of the Twitter succession crisis and I feel these 3 things will be key points for why bsky gained momentum