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@parismarx as European I need to say Elon Musk is the worst of the worst.
@lontrachen @parismarx As someone from the EU living in Denmark, definitely Peter Thiel.
Elon Musk is a petty loser with too much money to express his small dick energy, but Peter Thiel is instrumenting EU countries to become police states.
I know Elon Musk has made a lot of damage in the USA with DOGE, but that is none of my business (especially according to most USA citizens I interact with).
Anyway, I feel for the South Africans, represented by these 2 nazis.
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@lontrachen @parismarx As someone from the EU living in Denmark, definitely Peter Thiel.
Elon Musk is a petty loser with too much money to express his small dick energy, but Peter Thiel is instrumenting EU countries to become police states.
I know Elon Musk has made a lot of damage in the USA with DOGE, but that is none of my business (especially according to most USA citizens I interact with).
Anyway, I feel for the South Africans, represented by these 2 nazis.
@fabriziob @lontrachen @parismarx The governments are expanding their surveillance capabilities with or without Thiel. Take it from someone working in the industry, in EU.
Musk, on the other hand, is actively trying (and succeeding at) influencing global politics, social consensus, the Overton window, etc. He owns and actively influences the discourse on one of the biggest social media sites in the world, finances and promotes fascists worldwide (like the AfD in Germany), etc.
I'll admit, when you're not in a position where your human rights are being debated, Thiel and his surveillance may be more of a threat, but to marginalized communities, Musk is far worse.
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@fabriziob @lontrachen @parismarx The governments are expanding their surveillance capabilities with or without Thiel. Take it from someone working in the industry, in EU.
Musk, on the other hand, is actively trying (and succeeding at) influencing global politics, social consensus, the Overton window, etc. He owns and actively influences the discourse on one of the biggest social media sites in the world, finances and promotes fascists worldwide (like the AfD in Germany), etc.
I'll admit, when you're not in a position where your human rights are being debated, Thiel and his surveillance may be more of a threat, but to marginalized communities, Musk is far worse.
@engideer yepp. Peter Thiel can develop the shit he wants, but it is the european leaders who want to use it. They don't need to, they want.
Musk is actively manipulating european politics, the last federal election in Germany, UK, his public feud against the EU, the war on labor rights in sweden etc.
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@engideer yepp. Peter Thiel can develop the shit he wants, but it is the european leaders who want to use it. They don't need to, they want.
Musk is actively manipulating european politics, the last federal election in Germany, UK, his public feud against the EU, the war on labor rights in sweden etc.
@lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
One thing that many do not realize is that Peter Thiel is making totalitarian surveillance extremely affordable.
Stasi used to cost 25% of the GDP of East Germany. By 1989 it relied on 500,000 to 2,000,000 collaborators as well as 100,000 regular employees, and it maintained files on approximately 6,000,000 East German citizens—more than one-third of the population.
Palantir Gotham is priced at $141K per core, for a perpetual license, easily hidden.
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@lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
One thing that many do not realize is that Peter Thiel is making totalitarian surveillance extremely affordable.
Stasi used to cost 25% of the GDP of East Germany. By 1989 it relied on 500,000 to 2,000,000 collaborators as well as 100,000 regular employees, and it maintained files on approximately 6,000,000 East German citizens—more than one-third of the population.
Palantir Gotham is priced at $141K per core, for a perpetual license, easily hidden.
@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx That's a poor comparison: If you wait 50 years, almost anybody with a little tech and business skills can offer this cheaper (they would vary in how much but they'd be cheaper one way or another). He might be more affordable "inflation-adjusted", but that'd be at least complex to determine
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@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx That's a poor comparison: If you wait 50 years, almost anybody with a little tech and business skills can offer this cheaper (they would vary in how much but they'd be cheaper one way or another). He might be more affordable "inflation-adjusted", but that'd be at least complex to determine
@shaedrich @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
1989 is not even 40 years ago and I am sure that we can find way higher expenditure in China today.
Fact is, you pay less because you are at the same time providing training data.
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@shaedrich @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
1989 is not even 40 years ago and I am sure that we can find way higher expenditure in China today.
Fact is, you pay less because you are at the same time providing training data.
@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx Doesn't matter if it is 10 years or 100. It was an almost random number. My point was that—unless we have an apocalypse that throws us back decades or centuries—it's not an easy comparison and your point would be better made without. I'm not saying, you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that the comparison isn't helping the case. Not more and not less.
China on the other hand, is exactly that kind of comparison, I was asking for instead 👍🏻
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@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx Doesn't matter if it is 10 years or 100. It was an almost random number. My point was that—unless we have an apocalypse that throws us back decades or centuries—it's not an easy comparison and your point would be better made without. I'm not saying, you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that the comparison isn't helping the case. Not more and not less.
China on the other hand, is exactly that kind of comparison, I was asking for instead 👍🏻
@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx However, I wonder why this is. Because I would expect China's surveillance to be way better integrated. Have they ever expressed interest in Palantir?
On the other hand, Palantir is—at least in some western places—not used for the entirety of the state but more selectively, whereas China has an encompassing system.
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@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx Doesn't matter if it is 10 years or 100. It was an almost random number. My point was that—unless we have an apocalypse that throws us back decades or centuries—it's not an easy comparison and your point would be better made without. I'm not saying, you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that the comparison isn't helping the case. Not more and not less.
China on the other hand, is exactly that kind of comparison, I was asking for instead 👍🏻
@shaedrich @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
I think in both cases the monetary resources expense is not the problem and that's why I didn't mention them even though I heard about calculations of up to 25% of GDP.
The real difference is human resource requirements and subsidization due to returns given by collected data (or at least that is the claim).
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@fabriziob @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx However, I wonder why this is. Because I would expect China's surveillance to be way better integrated. Have they ever expressed interest in Palantir?
On the other hand, Palantir is—at least in some western places—not used for the entirety of the state but more selectively, whereas China has an encompassing system.
@shaedrich @lontrachen @engideer @parismarx
A lot of what we are told about China is not factually correct.
For example, social scoring was implemented only in some districts for tests that even failed.
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