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@fesshole Works both ways 😁
@Steampunk_Prof exactly! I always say my dogs are so well-behaved because I use my "disappointed kindergarten teacher" voice when they're bad. It works!
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@leoschuldiner23 @fesshole At a small ranch rodeo once, I saw a demonstration of cattle dogs, which like sheepdogs will herd and separate animals both on their own and as commanded by whistles and hand signs. I asked one of the trainers, a middle-aged woman, how in the hell they train them so well. "Pressure and release," she answered. "Dogs, horses, kids, husbands. Doesn't matter. It's all just pressure and release."
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole Maybe if one were to use the term "Positive Reinforcement Learning Strategies", and then follow it up with "These are strategies that, in adapted forms, have proven exceptionally effective in e.g. Service Dog training. Note that the underlying principles can be surprisingly effective in the classroom as well."
That way, the focus is on the principle and the strategy, while keeping the implication "surprising" rather than potentially devaluing to the sensitive listener...?
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@fesshole Maybe if one were to use the term "Positive Reinforcement Learning Strategies", and then follow it up with "These are strategies that, in adapted forms, have proven exceptionally effective in e.g. Service Dog training. Note that the underlying principles can be surprisingly effective in the classroom as well."
That way, the focus is on the principle and the strategy, while keeping the implication "surprising" rather than potentially devaluing to the sensitive listener...?
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole
In many ways there is little psychological difference between humans and dogs or they wouldn't live so well together. You can train both of them using similar principles, you just have to adapt the methodology. -
I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole Turns out the fundamental principle of selection (as in "natural selection" but without the natural part) also applies to learning: If you make it easier for a given behavior to exist, you will start seeing more of it over time, while if you make it harder you will start seeing less.
(Side note, the core principle of selection applies to literally everything in the universe and that realization has been occupying my mind ever since)
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole
We used to watch "Supernanny" and "It's me or the dog" and think the same.
Most problems happen when you put them (dog/child) in charge, or don't set boundaries of what is right and wrong... applies to both. -
I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
The Cesar Milan chhhh to get them to break from their mindset.
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The Cesar Milan chhhh to get them to break from their mindset.
@fesshole
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@svavar @fritzoids @fesshole probably wrote it because of her. Can’t be that many psycho puppy shooters out there, right? Right?
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@eestileib @ermo @fesshole I was thinking more along the lines of “ developed for use with limited and non-verbal individuals with an emphasis on toned responses and visual cues”.
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@svavar @fritzoids @fesshole probably wrote it because of her. Can’t be that many psycho puppy shooters out there, right? Right?
@passwordsarehard4 @svavar @fesshole
it is very kind of you to assume my teenagerhood was not that long ago.
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
You could just say that you learned the tips during professional development on Animal Assisted Intervention. Most trainings cover tips for working with therapy animals and students. No one has to know which side you pulled the methods from.
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole well, we are social mammals...
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I'm a teacher. Some of my best behaviour tips come from dog training videos, but there isn't really a way to tell my colleagues which doesn't sound terrible.
@fesshole Movie: "If a Man Answers", 1962. Sandra Dee, Bobby Darin
God, I'm old!
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The parts of the brain that handle emotions are very old, and they're very similar across many types of animals.
The fancy thinking parts of our brains are new, and riding around on top of that old limbic system trying to tell it what to do-- which doesn't work very well even in adults. Knee-jerk fear and so on is built to work faster than rational decision-making.
Children don't have very developed thinky parts yet. Even grownups need to understand that handling your own emotions is a lot like training yourself like an animal. It takes consistency, repetition, and time.
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The parts of the brain that handle emotions are very old, and they're very similar across many types of animals.
The fancy thinking parts of our brains are new, and riding around on top of that old limbic system trying to tell it what to do-- which doesn't work very well even in adults. Knee-jerk fear and so on is built to work faster than rational decision-making.
Children don't have very developed thinky parts yet. Even grownups need to understand that handling your own emotions is a lot like training yourself like an animal. It takes consistency, repetition, and time.
Re : "everybody needs to train themselves like an animal", Aristotle compared the conscious mind to a rider on the back of a powerful horse (the passions), which I thought was a good analogy because it still makes it clear you aren't getting anywhere without passion.
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