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  • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

    Don't be dishonest. You know there are no direct quotes there.

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    #61

    The quoted comments are directly quoted with links.

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    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusundefined curbstickle@anarchist.nexus

      The quoted comments are directly quoted with links.

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      #62

      You are lying. The AI Sloppary says

      Claims that “minors are not innocent by default”

      Now show us exactly where this exact quoted text in the comment dump. With links, the things you swear you have!

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      • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

        You are lying. The AI Sloppary says

        Claims that “minors are not innocent by default”

        Now show us exactly where this exact quoted text in the comment dump. With links, the things you swear you have!

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        #63

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        Date: 2026-03-15T10:53:32.311868Z
        Comment ID: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/24299783
        Post ID: 519441
        Community ID: 45

        Just because they are minors, doesn’t make them innocent by default.

        The whole article is devoid of details on how these drones are used.

        ========================================

        Whats the prob Bob?

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        • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusundefined curbstickle@anarchist.nexus

          ========================================

          Date: 2026-03-15T10:53:32.311868Z
          Comment ID: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/24299783
          Post ID: 519441
          Community ID: 45

          Just because they are minors, doesn’t make them innocent by default.

          The whole article is devoid of details on how these drones are used.

          ========================================

          Whats the prob Bob?

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          #64

          Look at that, the words don't match what's in the quote marks, and it has a slightly different meaning. My whole point.

          I'm almost impressed that you can lie this hard while acting correct.

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          • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

            Look at that, the words don't match what's in the quote marks, and it has a slightly different meaning. My whole point.

            I'm almost impressed that you can lie this hard while acting correct.

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            #65

            SUMMARY.

            Holy shit are you dense.

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            • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusundefined curbstickle@anarchist.nexus

              SUMMARY.

              Holy shit are you dense.

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              #66

              Summary, sloppary, whatever you call it: the thing you claimed you could find the exact text for, and then didn't.

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              • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

                Summary, sloppary, whatever you call it: the thing you claimed you could find the exact text for, and then didn't.

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                #67

                No, I said quite clearly that I'd like to see the comment misquoted.

                You then quoted the summary and said "BUT IT USED QUOTES"

                They paraphrase. I said that, too. Your complaint is about punctuation, probably the dumbest complaint ive seen on this entire thread.

                So cut the crap, stop lying about what I said, and stop pretending that it was an inaccurate summary.

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                • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusundefined curbstickle@anarchist.nexus

                  No, I said quite clearly that I'd like to see the comment misquoted.

                  You then quoted the summary and said "BUT IT USED QUOTES"

                  They paraphrase. I said that, too. Your complaint is about punctuation, probably the dumbest complaint ive seen on this entire thread.

                  So cut the crap, stop lying about what I said, and stop pretending that it was an inaccurate summary.

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                  #68

                  I said quite clearly that I'd like to see the comment misquoted.

                  That's a you problem. I never accepted your attempt to reframe the conversation.

                  your complaint is about punctuation

                  No, it's not.

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                  • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

                    I said quite clearly that I'd like to see the comment misquoted.

                    That's a you problem. I never accepted your attempt to reframe the conversation.

                    your complaint is about punctuation

                    No, it's not.

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                    #69

                    That's a you problem. I never accepted your attempt to reframe the conversation.

                    Its what I have said from.the start, I don't really care about your attempt to reframe it.

                    No, it's not.

                    "Wahhh, its using quotes, that means exact"

                    Uh huh. Sure thing.

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                    • snoopy@piefed.socialundefined snoopy@piefed.social

                      FYI, i will lock this post in 3hours at 19h30pm. So we can take a break from it (and myself too).

                      Thank you.

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                      #70

                      I feel like the post title should be changed before locking it down because it seems a little misleading based on the comments.

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                      • flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.comundefined flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        And? It's in the public modlog, Rimu. Please, can you stop harassing me? How many hater posts are you gonna make this week exactly?

                        this was not a one-off experiment, this is an app they were proud to call their own.

                        It's a python script that calls the lemmy/piefed api to grab comment histories. Calling it an "App" is quite a stretch. Luminous just likes pretty things, bless his cotton socks.

                        You are right about one thing, we will no doubt keep using the script to pull comment histories on the few occasions when we want a deep dive into someone's profile.

                        For the record, we were never planning to use it as an automod or hook it to an LLM. You hallucinated that, ironically. That's why we never announced it. It was nobody else's business.

                        How it was actually intended to be used was as a tool to supplement the existing lemmy mod tooling, so that mods can make better, more informed decisions, in a more efficient way. How is it ever a bad thing to have all the relevant information to hand? And it's being open sourced soon, so everyone can use it. Unlike some instances [nudge, nudge], we try to take a considered approach to user bans. And no, it's no linked to an LLM in any way. If you chose to use one, you'd have to paste in the user history manually. But it also very useful just for skimming through, much faster than with Lemmy UI.

                        Also for the record, we do not use any form of automod with automated banning and never have. All ban decisions are made by a human mod or admin. Neither do we auto-scan user profiles for bad political takes, like Zionism. What we do do, is act on user reports, conduct an investigation and then make a mod decision. Nothing has changed in that respect, except now we have an extra tool to make sure we get the decision correct.

                        Finally, just because I included an LLM summary of the comment history in the public modlog, it does not logically follow that the ban occurred because of the LLM summary. It simply happened to correspond very well to my own manual review, which I have already explained to you. And I thought the summary did a much more comprehensive justification of the ban than I could have fitted in the modlog, so why not include it?

                        In conclusion, much ado about absolutely nothing. Again.

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                        #71

                        Flatworm, looking for clarification. @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com alleges you didn't use AI in your ban process. But then I read your comments and they are far more difficult to parse.

                        Finally, just because I included an LLM summary of the comment history in the public modlog, it does not logically follow that the ban occurred because of the LLM summary. It simply happened to correspond very well to my own manual review

                        • you claim you had a manual review process, but never show your work. (If you did, where is it?)
                        • you imply you didn't use the LLM to ban the user, but you don't say it outright.
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                        • xle@piefed.socialundefined xle@piefed.social

                          The source is not open so it is not FOSS. It is freeware.

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                          Depending on the exact model, it may be under Apache 2.0 licence, which is FOSS.

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                          • successful_try543@feddit.orgundefined successful_try543@feddit.org

                            Depending on the exact model, it may be under Apache 2.0 licence, which is FOSS.

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                            Can you point at the source data the model was compiled with? If you can't, the source isn't open.

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                            • zombifrancis@sh.itjust.worksundefined zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works

                              I feel like the post title should be changed before locking it down because it seems a little misleading based on the comments.

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                              I don't think that's a good idea.

                              Editing the title would rewrite or paint Rimu as someone who tried to hide something or told something else.

                              I think it is better to let as it is, they will read the title and the comments for what they are. Then like you, they will understand.

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