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@Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot Y’all have more faith in the electorate than I do. The fact that Agent Orange’s candidacy was even viable in 2020 or 2024 tells me we have many millions of voters sitting on the continuum between having no scruples or having no idea what is going on.
@mkb @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot
The GOP has lost 251 of the last 281 special elections since Trump was reelected. Highlights include a 31 point flip in a deep red Texas district & a 17 point swing in deep red Louisiana district.
Those independents may have not have much in the scruples department, but Trump has directly, obviously and indefensibly made their lives much worse.
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@Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot Y’all have more faith in the electorate than I do. The fact that Agent Orange’s candidacy was even viable in 2020 or 2024 tells me we have many millions of voters sitting on the continuum between having no scruples or having no idea what is going on.
@mkb @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot
It was never "viable".
He was forced on us. Shoehorned into a position of power by multi-billion dollar waves of propaganda that shoved his face into every household on every channel. Even the Democratic Party was helping "elevate" him to a "serious candidate" with their twisted Pied Piper Strategy.
Most Americans hate BOTH parties. We're conditioned to think this is who we are, these are our only options, this is the Overton Window and the "center" is somewhere between rabid fascism and limousine neoliberalism-- normalizing planetwrecking corporate feudalism and war profiteering across the board.
NONE OF THIS IS VIABLE.
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@mkb @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot
It was never "viable".
He was forced on us. Shoehorned into a position of power by multi-billion dollar waves of propaganda that shoved his face into every household on every channel. Even the Democratic Party was helping "elevate" him to a "serious candidate" with their twisted Pied Piper Strategy.
Most Americans hate BOTH parties. We're conditioned to think this is who we are, these are our only options, this is the Overton Window and the "center" is somewhere between rabid fascism and limousine neoliberalism-- normalizing planetwrecking corporate feudalism and war profiteering across the board.
NONE OF THIS IS VIABLE.
@violetmadder @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot By “viable” I simply mean that it was credible that Agent Orange might win. The vote in 2020 was far closer than it should have been.
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@violetmadder @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot By “viable” I simply mean that it was credible that Agent Orange might win. The vote in 2020 was far closer than it should have been.
@mkb @violetmadder @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot 'Agent Orange' – good term
And I agree that the vote was much closer than it should have been, but some of that could have been attributed to protest votes (or non-votes) rather than a strong base producing such voting turnout. The number of true loyalists might be lower than it seemed, as evidenced by MAGA voices (prominent and common) who are now speaking out against his actions.
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@mkb @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot
It was never "viable".
He was forced on us. Shoehorned into a position of power by multi-billion dollar waves of propaganda that shoved his face into every household on every channel. Even the Democratic Party was helping "elevate" him to a "serious candidate" with their twisted Pied Piper Strategy.
Most Americans hate BOTH parties. We're conditioned to think this is who we are, these are our only options, this is the Overton Window and the "center" is somewhere between rabid fascism and limousine neoliberalism-- normalizing planetwrecking corporate feudalism and war profiteering across the board.
NONE OF THIS IS VIABLE.
@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot Great points and well said.
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@mkb @violetmadder @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot 'Agent Orange' – good term
And I agree that the vote was much closer than it should have been, but some of that could have been attributed to protest votes (or non-votes) rather than a strong base producing such voting turnout. The number of true loyalists might be lower than it seemed, as evidenced by MAGA voices (prominent and common) who are now speaking out against his actions.
@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot
How long has it been since the US had anything like solid exit polling?
Just because the Republicans like to shout about the goofy forms of election fraud that aren't real, doesn't mean it's not rigged in much more effective ways.
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@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot
How long has it been since the US had anything like solid exit polling?
Just because the Republicans like to shout about the goofy forms of election fraud that aren't real, doesn't mean it's not rigged in much more effective ways.
@violetmadder @dalfen @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot
One of the foremost experts on election security is right here on Mastodon: @mattblaze. Tools such as risk-limiting audits can enhance security considerably.
That said, R’s have been working hard to put their collective thumb on the scale, often right out in the open.
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@Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot Y’all have more faith in the electorate than I do. The fact that Agent Orange’s candidacy was even viable in 2020 or 2024 tells me we have many millions of voters sitting on the continuum between having no scruples or having no idea what is going on.
@mkb @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot I have a neighbor who supports Trump. She thinks all the horrible things that is being reported that he's doing is a lie and it's not true. Really
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@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot
How long has it been since the US had anything like solid exit polling?
Just because the Republicans like to shout about the goofy forms of election fraud that aren't real, doesn't mean it's not rigged in much more effective ways.
@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot There is lots of dramatic persuasion & propaganda in the US, but as far as actual (prosecutable) fraud, the conservative Heritage Foundation only lists 1,620 incidents in 43 years, essentially nil (~0.00076% for presidential elections).
Exit polling happens all over the USA. States' results are openly publicized. I'll research it more.
https://mstdn.social/@dalfen/116247462411917436
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https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0
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https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls
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@mkb @Bandersnatch @dalfen @DemocracyMattersALot I have a neighbor who supports Trump. She thinks all the horrible things that is being reported that he's doing is a lie and it's not true. Really
@FaithinBones @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot I know there are a lot of people like that, unfortunately. I have also heard others who are now against various things that Trump is doing, like his "little excursion" in Iran. I hope there are more of the latter.
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@violetmadder @dalfen @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot
One of the foremost experts on election security is right here on Mastodon: @mattblaze. Tools such as risk-limiting audits can enhance security considerably.
That said, R’s have been working hard to put their collective thumb on the scale, often right out in the open.
@mkb @dalfen @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
I tried to help verify the vote counts in California's 2016 Democratic primary. It was a shitshow.
When the margin for winning is smaller than the margin of error, much of everything is happening inside of proprietary corporate boxes, count observers can't get close enough to observe anything meaningful, and there's other weird shit like the huge shredder truck outside Alex Padilla's office the next morning-- I don't trust our electoral system as far as I could kick it.
On top of the gerrymandering and bought-out media, and that Princeton study already showed only about 10% of legislation reflects what the people want vs what big money wants.
This is not what democracy looks like.
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@mkb @dalfen @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
I tried to help verify the vote counts in California's 2016 Democratic primary. It was a shitshow.
When the margin for winning is smaller than the margin of error, much of everything is happening inside of proprietary corporate boxes, count observers can't get close enough to observe anything meaningful, and there's other weird shit like the huge shredder truck outside Alex Padilla's office the next morning-- I don't trust our electoral system as far as I could kick it.
On top of the gerrymandering and bought-out media, and that Princeton study already showed only about 10% of legislation reflects what the people want vs what big money wants.
This is not what democracy looks like.
@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze How would you do it better?
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@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze How would you do it better?
@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
Anybody who wasn't fetishizing billionaires and their toys could do it better. Hell, why not just sortition.
Me? Abolish capitalism, for a start. Return the commons to the goose. Ownership of things, from factories to residences etc goes only to the people who personally and directly need those things. Horizontal bottom-up organizing based on community councils. The type of stuff Rojava and the Zapatistas are working on, like collectivism, communitarianism, and anarcho-communism.
And if there's any large scale voting, it's gotta be open source.
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@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
Anybody who wasn't fetishizing billionaires and their toys could do it better. Hell, why not just sortition.
Me? Abolish capitalism, for a start. Return the commons to the goose. Ownership of things, from factories to residences etc goes only to the people who personally and directly need those things. Horizontal bottom-up organizing based on community councils. The type of stuff Rojava and the Zapatistas are working on, like collectivism, communitarianism, and anarcho-communism.
And if there's any large scale voting, it's gotta be open source.
@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze How would you make it open source?
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@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze How would you make it open source?
@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
For crying out loud, just look it up.
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@dalfen @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze
For crying out loud, just look it up.
@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze Oh sorry to bother you. I was just curious about your ideas.
Thanks for the reference.
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@violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot @mattblaze Oh sorry to bother you. I was just curious about your ideas.
Thanks for the reference.
@dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot While there might be good public policy reasons to use open source software and designs for election systems, there's probably very little security benefit to be gained by doing so. Open source software is just as subject to malicious tampering and bugs as closed source.
The approach favored by experts involves *assuming* the software is compromised, and conducting routine post-election audits on the ballots to verify the tally.
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@dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot While there might be good public policy reasons to use open source software and designs for election systems, there's probably very little security benefit to be gained by doing so. Open source software is just as subject to malicious tampering and bugs as closed source.
The approach favored by experts involves *assuming* the software is compromised, and conducting routine post-election audits on the ballots to verify the tally.
@mattblaze @dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot My view on open source code and voting is that while open source is useful in many cases it is not necessarily so in voting code.
Why? One of the argument of O-source code is inspection. It is a good argument, if it were done (may AI tools can do good work here - but what is the criteria they would use to tell good from bad?)
In our effort we concluded that while inspection is good, testing is better - and that anyone ought to be able to test (and that vendors ought to supply test gear), *and* that test results be published to all.
There is a side effect - we want to encourage vendors to build good voting systems (software+hardware+procedures). So we ought to leave some incentives, like not requiring publication of the code (or parts of the code) and limit open copying/use - leaving some room for innovation and profit.
We also tend to forget toolchains - which are often a significant overlooked vulnerability.
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@mattblaze @dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot My view on open source code and voting is that while open source is useful in many cases it is not necessarily so in voting code.
Why? One of the argument of O-source code is inspection. It is a good argument, if it were done (may AI tools can do good work here - but what is the criteria they would use to tell good from bad?)
In our effort we concluded that while inspection is good, testing is better - and that anyone ought to be able to test (and that vendors ought to supply test gear), *and* that test results be published to all.
There is a side effect - we want to encourage vendors to build good voting systems (software+hardware+procedures). So we ought to leave some incentives, like not requiring publication of the code (or parts of the code) and limit open copying/use - leaving some room for innovation and profit.
We also tend to forget toolchains - which are often a significant overlooked vulnerability.
@karlauerbach @dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot There are two major attack vectors for automation in voting systems: (1) Exploitation of bugs to induce malicious behavior, and (2) replacement of the legitimate software with malware.
Open source attempts to address (1), but the "many eyes make all bugs shallow" maxim breaks down as systems become as complex as they are today. And (2) is an inherent problem for precinct equipment, which is vulnerable to tampering.
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@karlauerbach @dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot There are two major attack vectors for automation in voting systems: (1) Exploitation of bugs to induce malicious behavior, and (2) replacement of the legitimate software with malware.
Open source attempts to address (1), but the "many eyes make all bugs shallow" maxim breaks down as systems become as complex as they are today. And (2) is an inherent problem for precinct equipment, which is vulnerable to tampering.
@karlauerbach @dalfen @violetmadder @mkb @Bandersnatch @DemocracyMattersALot So the approach of trying to completely secure election software is ultimately a fool's errand. That's why modern techniques like risk-limiting audits are so critical.
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