Broken links aside (fix incoming), #FDroid raises the case against the #Google developer forced registration once again
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Broken links aside (fix incoming), #FDroid raises the case against the #Google developer forced registration once again.
We'll skip the small talk, go read, and better yet, spread this wide and far: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html so people are made aware, actions can be taken and #Android is kept truly open!
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Broken links aside (fix incoming), #FDroid raises the case against the #Google developer forced registration once again.
We'll skip the small talk, go read, and better yet, spread this wide and far: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html so people are made aware, actions can be taken and #Android is kept truly open!
@fdroidorg this looks like the best place to ask this question.
Hypothetically, if a developer chooses not to register with gooooogle, but still writes apps and publishes their code on gitea or codeberg or some other repository, can they still have their apps on fdroid? Maybe not on play store, but in fdroid? -
@fdroidorg this looks like the best place to ask this question.
Hypothetically, if a developer chooses not to register with gooooogle, but still writes apps and publishes their code on gitea or codeberg or some other repository, can they still have their apps on fdroid? Maybe not on play store, but in fdroid?@sabrinaweb71 They can, but then their friends and family can't install their app. Who wants that?
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@sabrinaweb71 They can, but then their friends and family can't install their app. Who wants that?
So, correct me if i'm wrong, the matter is this: if the google diktat will be actually enforced, no app not signed by google will be able to run on android.
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So, correct me if i'm wrong, the matter is this: if the google diktat will be actually enforced, no app not signed by google will be able to run on android.
@jones @sabrinaweb71 We see this confusion a lot. Google will only hold "a list of application ids and their associated signatures" that they *approved*. The signing part continues as usual. Play apps after Nov 2021 will be signed by Google, older ones will be signed by the developers. On F-Droid, apps are signed by the developers (reproducible builds) or by F-Droid.
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@jones @sabrinaweb71 We see this confusion a lot. Google will only hold "a list of application ids and their associated signatures" that they *approved*. The signing part continues as usual. Play apps after Nov 2021 will be signed by Google, older ones will be signed by the developers. On F-Droid, apps are signed by the developers (reproducible builds) or by F-Droid.
Thank you. So it would be technically possible to keep f-droid.org running, even if google will actually enforce their diktat (as is very very probable, i seem to understand), to distribute the apps of those developers who would not register with google, right? And maybe also the apps of those developers who would?
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Thank you. So it would be technically possible to keep f-droid.org running, even if google will actually enforce their diktat (as is very very probable, i seem to understand), to distribute the apps of those developers who would not register with google, right? And maybe also the apps of those developers who would?
@jones @sabrinaweb71 We sure do can, but we are also aware that the wast majority of our users is not running Google-free devices.
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@jones @sabrinaweb71 We sure do can, but we are also aware that the wast majority of our users is not running Google-free devices.
@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
So these apps that f-droid.org could still distribute, regardless of whether developers will choose to register with google or not, will *not* run on any phone with... what? The "google play services"? -
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So these apps that f-droid.org could still distribute, regardless of whether developers will choose to register with google or not, will *not* run on any phone with... what? The "google play services"?@jones @sabrinaweb71 On the so called "stock" phones that come with Google apps, yes.
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@jones @sabrinaweb71 On the so called "stock" phones that come with Google apps, yes.
@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
Thank you :)
So f-droid would still work only on fairphones and other very costly degoogled phones, right? -
@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
Thank you :)
So f-droid would still work only on fairphones and other very costly degoogled phones, right?@jones@todon.nl @fdroidorg@floss.social @sabrinaweb71@sociale.network only on murena fairphones, not the normal google ones. it would also (from what i understand) work on any android phone running a non-google rom, like a pixel with grapheneOS
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@jones@todon.nl @fdroidorg@floss.social @sabrinaweb71@sociale.network only on murena fairphones, not the normal google ones. it would also (from what i understand) work on any android phone running a non-google rom, like a pixel with grapheneOS
@tauon @fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
Thank you :)
So, it would run only for an even smaller user base of people with lots of money. -
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Thank you :)
So, it would run only for an even smaller user base of people with lots of money.@jones@todon.nl @fdroidorg@floss.social @sabrinaweb71@sociale.network i wouldn't say "lots of money", you could get a phone that can run a non-google os for relatively cheap, if your own phone can't do it (although, would you really want to wipe your phone to unlock the bootloader?)
it just means people can't use their existing setup to run the apps, which is mega bullshit (and yes, they shouldn't have to pay more to be able to) -
@jones@todon.nl @fdroidorg@floss.social @sabrinaweb71@sociale.network i wouldn't say "lots of money", you could get a phone that can run a non-google os for relatively cheap, if your own phone can't do it (although, would you really want to wipe your phone to unlock the bootloader?)
it just means people can't use their existing setup to run the apps, which is mega bullshit (and yes, they shouldn't have to pay more to be able to)@tauon @fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71 @jones my moto g32 refurbished 79€ with CalyxOS
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@virtuous_sloth @hub @cheeaun no idea!
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice oh, but, also guitarists, like synth players, like physical knobs for everything. One pedal per function fits in a guitar players brain better than buttons and inscrutable little LCD screens with pages of options and a computer or phone app.
I mostly use regular single function pedals and tube amps, even though I know I could get less noise and more effects from a multi-effects unit or amp for a lot less money.
Monkey brain likes what it likes.
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice I mean, the amps are still a little limited by their budget. It costs money to make high quality physical stuff, like a speaker. But, even that's gotten better over the years, and their current and previous generations sound quite good.
Another element is a whole generation of players started on a Line 6 back when they weren't so great, so they feel like they have to "graduate" to more expensive stuff. But, it wouldn't pain me to gig a Line 6 Spider or a Catalyst.
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@aizuchi @kevingamin @alice a bunch of reasons. It's always been a value brand rather than a boutique brand...there was a time when "low cost" and "quality" didn't really fit together in a digital multi-effect unit. The early POD and Spider models sounded pretty cheesy. But, compute keeps getting cheaper, so they can cram really powerful DSP into cheap devices now, and they've gotten better at the software and modeling side in the 30 years they've been doing it (again, they were very early).
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@hub Yeah.
I knew the edits were recorded/visible, I just found it interesting to see one played back "live". Up until now, I've only seen it update slowly like replies etc come in.
I'd be interesting in knowing how it happens (does the client stay connected to my server and the server offers up edited updates when such a connection is maintained?).
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@swelljoe @kevingamin @alice why no respect? I mean, i understand that guitar heads have Opinions (tm)
