Do you work on weekends?
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@evan Technically, I don't have a weekend, but I always worked weekends last time I was employed by a company.
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@evan I work a 7:30-4:39 weekday job but came with disclosed after-hours on-call work. My weekend work isn’t usually scheduled, it’s per incident/crisis call.
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@evan define "work" :)
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@evan Rarely but I feel it’s actually somewhere between rarely and often. I manage servers and have a leadership position so if stuff goes sideways I deal with it when it happens. Also, because I run servers, downtimes for updates are best done outside of business hours.
The important caveat is that I’m in a union (and my employer is a union) so my contract has very good compensation for weekend work.
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@evan What type of works? Like personal non paid works like cleaning, yardworking, etc.?
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@evan What type of works? Like personal non paid works like cleaning, yardworking, etc.?
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@evan I work a 7:30-4:39 weekday job but came with disclosed after-hours on-call work. My weekend work isn’t usually scheduled, it’s per incident/crisis call.
@raederle why 4:39?
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@evan define "work" :)
@shochdoerfer work, natural work
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@evan Rarely but I feel it’s actually somewhere between rarely and often. I manage servers and have a leadership position so if stuff goes sideways I deal with it when it happens. Also, because I run servers, downtimes for updates are best done outside of business hours.
The important caveat is that I’m in a union (and my employer is a union) so my contract has very good compensation for weekend work.
@Chigaze I wonder, say, if you could maybe guess what percentage of your weekends are work-free.
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@evan Technically, I don't have a weekend, but I always worked weekends last time I was employed by a company.
@disorderlyf why do you technically not have a weekend?
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@raederle why 4:39?
@evan because the 0 and 9 are too close to each other on my phone. I usually catch and correct but failed to this time. It was supposed be 4:30. However, I do have an alarm set to remind me to leave work. I snooze the alarm sometimes so it is 4:39 if I’m trying to finish one last thing.
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@evan because the 0 and 9 are too close to each other on my phone. I usually catch and correct but failed to this time. It was supposed be 4:30. However, I do have an alarm set to remind me to leave work. I snooze the alarm sometimes so it is 4:39 if I’m trying to finish one last thing.
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@raederle aww, dang. I suspected that, but then I got excited thinking that maybe you had some interesting mental wellness practice that required exactly 21 minutes of stretching or meditation between finishing work and getting on the subway or whatever. 🫤
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@evan I'm "rarely" — with flexible work schedule I've been known to shift a few hours into the weekend based on my previous or upcoming week. It's not about working extra it's about using your benefits to find what works for you personally. I would be very interested to see a poll that specifically asks about working more than 40 hrs over the weekend
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@evan I'm "rarely" — with flexible work schedule I've been known to shift a few hours into the weekend based on my previous or upcoming week. It's not about working extra it's about using your benefits to find what works for you personally. I would be very interested to see a poll that specifically asks about working more than 40 hrs over the weekend
@McNeely you should post it!
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@evan 4h minimum billing for callback outside of normal working hours. 1.5x billing for work planned in advance. This is probably too generous to clients for contracting.
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I'm going to sleep soon, so I will answer early. With my jobs at OEF and SWF over the last 18 months, I've been always. I have a lot to do this year, so I'll probably be always for the foreseeable future, even though I only have one job now. Thanks to everyone who answered.
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In my case ... school/learning being "work", with or without ad-hoc paid self-employment ... it just happens whenever I scrabble the time together any time of day/week.
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@futurebird Also, I tell junior devs to think back to science class. Every change you make to code is an experiment; your hypothesis is that the new code will be somehow better than the old. But you can't put too many variables in an experiment, or you won't know which changes mattered and why.
So test often. Test after every line of code if you have to. It sounds annoying but it's much easier than the avalanche of bugs you get when running 1000 new lines the first time.
Go slow to go fast.
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@futurebird i think Microsoft in the 90s set up this attitude towards computers that still lives today: “it’s your fault if it doesn’t work”.
I never had to use Windows — ever — and every time I would sit down to try, something glaringly bad would be right there interfering.
And I’ve been a dev and UX person for nearly 40 years.
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Yes, that's exactly what I did! I already posted a couple of answers, but after looking at the whole thread I realized I didn't really understand the question. Yes, I think this is the answer to the question.
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@futurebird oh I see, indeed this was with university students, I've never teached computer science to younger students so I'll read what others have suggested. But at any stage of learning, I completely agree that some fun being involved greatly greases the wheels :)
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@fortunos @futurebird pretty funny if you can pull it off. Can destroy some kids though.
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@futurebird Some of it may be the lack of confidence in being able to fix it. I have seen devs who, as soon as they hit an issue, immediately look to make it someone else’s problem, so I fully support teaching them how to debug.
I like the idea of giving them buggy code. A lot of being a developer is finding the mistake the past developer (often yourself) made. :)
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Thank you for asking this. It made me feel useful, and brought back good memories now that I'm retired. Something else it made me think of was students' reaction when I'd come over to help with a problem they'd been struggling with for a while and point right at it. They would be all amazed and say how did you do that, and I'm like, well I've seen it hundreds of times. 😄
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@futurebird @nicklockwood to me that’s one of the fundamental truths of programming (or doing real math or science). Most of the time you’re wrong and trying to figure out how to fix it or address it. We do t spend much time on our successes we go on to the next thing that isn’t working. So I agree with your thoughts
