I gotta admit, I am loving how little of the conversation is just "BlueSky bad!
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@scottjenson It just sounds like we might need to turn the conversation around and instead of asking how to mitigate this feature's potential for abuse, a better question might be, why is this useful?
If to limit a posts visibility, maybe using "quiet public" is a better option?
Just trying to imagine this playing out IRL. Someone pulls me to the side to talk to me, surrounds me with their buddies. Now, they might all be very nice people. But this situation just sounds inherently threatening.
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Just trying to imagine this playing out IRL. Someone pulls me to the side to talk to me, surrounds me with their buddies. Now, they might all be very nice people. But this situation just sounds inherently threatening.
@stefan @evana @mastodonmigration These are indeed the harder questions to ask! I'm glad you're asking them
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@stefan @evana @mastodonmigration yes, if this is a server feature and not a client one, then my concern goes away.
But I can 100% guarantee you that there is a small group of people that do this for very positive and supportive reasons that will be quite miffed if we do this (which just might be necessary!)
This is why I'm trying to find other ways of looking at this problem. I want to solve it! Just trying to find the right lever.
So the needs or desires of that small group of people who's getting miffed has higher priority than people receiving harm and threats?
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So the needs or desires of that small group of people who's getting miffed has higher priority than people receiving harm and threats?
@tomjennings @stefan @evana @mastodonmigration
Of course not. I'm just saying I open source software has these arguments all the time and we need to be respectful of others
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So the needs or desires of that small group of people who's getting miffed has higher priority than people receiving harm and threats?
@tomjennings @scottjenson @stefan @evana
Tom, don't think that was what Scott was saying. This is a brainstorming session. As such, all aspects of the matter are being put on the table. The first step is to identify the problem in all it's complexities. It's a long way from making any kind of priority calls or implementation decisions. Feel like it is important to assume everyone has good intentions to constructively address the issue at this point.
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Loops is federating with Mastodon and Pixelfed 🥳
I'm still doing some tests, and will be pushing the ActivityPub PR shortly ✨
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Yeah, but feel bad for the guy. What's happening is that there is an adversarial relationship developing and Bluesky holds all the cards. This is not going to end well for Blacksky.
This has always been the problem with corporate sponsored standards. If the technology host company is not fully and completely committed to open competition with their standard clients it can never work.
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There is a problem with the Barnes and Noble analogy. Yes, if you are on mastodon.social and they ban you, you will lose your data. But if you are on hachyderm and mastodon.social blocks you, you don't lose you data (and you can still be seen by the rest of the Fedi). In the analogy, it's like the later case. As long as you trust your server provider you data is fine. It's the same for both network protocols.
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I'm not 100% re visibility on blacksky but I believe so.
I've tried to follow the blacksky story before this week and it's been a lot of back and forth about how truly independent they are. if you listen to the full podcasts talking about it, it starts as "we're indy" but then ends up as "we're almost there". same with other boosters of AT. they seem to admit the problems eventually.
but I'm very glad Rudy is now openly addressing this. moreso and sooner than others.
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Trying to understand the situation. Bluesky banned a Blacksky user and now the use can not be seen on Bluesky or Blacksky. Blacksky is doing a crash program so the the banned user will be visible on Blacksky, but they still won't be visible to anyone on Bluesky.
Is that right?
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@senesens We had a demo about this at a recent #FediForum
Bring your own timeline algorithm by @mala
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Thanks for speaking up Rudy (even though he did throw a dig at #ActivityPub in the thread). Good luck! I fear that only now will we discover the limits there, after millions have made the move from #xitter etc to that "decentralized" platform.
I'd love to hear more from the other defenders of #ATproto. As Elon said, #bluesky is demonstrating that free speech does not mean freedom of reach. You may have your PDS but who effectively decides who gets to see your posts?
https://bsky.app/profile/rude1.blacksky.team/post/3m2n62lo6v22p
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Any time someone attempts this, they're run out of the building (literally/metaphorically)
