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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross Boeing in general aren't having a nice time. I think I'll avoid them from now on.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross I had three 787s at UAL on my past itineraries and it was smooths… No longer after this crash.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross This does not pass the sniff test
- The original report seems sensationally written to damage boeing in a way that just reads like a short seller report
- The NTSB is much more independent than the FAA
- If air india had reason to believe their planes were unsafe, they'd be pushing boeing for a solution
- The actual issues described do not sound that concerning
- The flight recorder records the physical movement of the switches. It is unlikely to have been caused by what is described -
Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross
At least ferries have enough lifeboats now?Then there is the ghastly airport security and seats less comfortable than a Toyota Yaris, with less space. At least the smoking is gone!
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@cstross This does not pass the sniff test
- The original report seems sensationally written to damage boeing in a way that just reads like a short seller report
- The NTSB is much more independent than the FAA
- If air india had reason to believe their planes were unsafe, they'd be pushing boeing for a solution
- The actual issues described do not sound that concerning
- The flight recorder records the physical movement of the switches. It is unlikely to have been caused by what is described@cstross All of the the "explosive" parts of the report people are quoting are just flavour text and conjecture. The actual information is just... nothing. Yeah they sometimes have electrical issues. They all do. Yeah they report back thousands more parameters to the company than they display to pilots. They all do. It's for predictive maintainance. Yeah planes routinely take off with various systems mildly broken. It's called the Minimum Equipment List. None of it is even relevant to AI171.
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@cstross Im a bit hesitant about avherald, he did peddle some weird conspiracy theory promoting a documentation he made around the crash of Germanwings 9525… It seems there is no hard evidence right now. Wouldn’t rule it out either, it’s still Boing / Air India…
Yes.... Not convinced this is fully reliable
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
Some #Australian #Airlines operate #embraere190aircraft
These days I pick the flight time based on whether it's an Ebraere or a #boeing
This is where you are right now #america...
The dumpster burning bright atop the hill... -
Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
I also vowed never to use Boeing 787, but the airline changed the aircraft after I had booked the flight - I’m quite nervous 😮
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
After all shit happening with Boeing I wonder if there is a simple way to find flights that do not use these planes.
If anyone got any suggestions, I am all ear!
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@cstross My understanding (which may be incorrect, I am not a pilot or accident investigator) is that the engine cutoff switches are recorded both in terms of their effect (the engines are commanded off) and their position, and that in this case both switches reported both conditions (although with a small gap in time between each switch). It's not literally impossible that electrical issues would trigger that, but it's absolutely not the most obvious explanation.
@mjg59 @cstross I agree - if the preliminary report is not actively misleading and if there weren't some really bizarre and unlikely electrical faults then the fuel cut-off switches on the flight deck moved from the run to the cut off position very soon after the aircraft left the ground (and then moved back to run some 10 seconds later, soon enough for the engines to relight but not soon enough to prevent it smiting the ground).
Some specific and seemingly well-informed replies to my semi-informed questions in the comments to this blog post: https://fearoflanding.com/accidents/accident-reports/air-india-171-crash-triggered-by-fuel-cutoff/
Why the switches moved is a separate issue but any theory as to why that aircraft crashed which doesn't start from the assumption that they did move falls into the general class of extraordinary claims.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross Probably will be a Mentour Pilot or Mentour Now episode worth listening to about this soon then.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross If it's a Boeing, I ain't goeing.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross I wonder if we can persuade some state to bribe Trump with a 787? He can have a door seat. For legroom, ofc.
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@cstross I wonder if we can persuade some state to bribe Trump with a 787? He can have a door seat. For legroom, ofc.
@denisbloodnok @cstross 787 is bigger number, must be better
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@cstross All of the the "explosive" parts of the report people are quoting are just flavour text and conjecture. The actual information is just... nothing. Yeah they sometimes have electrical issues. They all do. Yeah they report back thousands more parameters to the company than they display to pilots. They all do. It's for predictive maintainance. Yeah planes routinely take off with various systems mildly broken. It's called the Minimum Equipment List. None of it is even relevant to AI171.
@cstross If you don't want to believe some random internet commenter, consider that this report hasn't been covered or so much as mentioned by any of the major reliable news sources who specialize in aviation. Nothing on The Air Current (who broke the fuel cutoff switch story days before official announcement), Leeham News, Seattle Times. All of those would report on things like this within hours if there was something to them.
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Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross
Boeing executives: Do we have any reputation left to piss away?
Aviation authorities: Why?
BE: Oh… nothing… we were just wondering. That's all. -
Oh fuck: that's ME determined never to fly on a Boeing 787!
Air India AI-171 crash: "Aircraft health data that had been transmitted via ACARS by VT-ANB about 15 minutes prior to the crash, indicated faults in the electrical system as well as in all Flight Control Modules (FCM). However, the flight crew never became aware of these faults or transmissions and therefore continued with the takeoff."
Whistleblower report. P100 Primary Power Panel caught fire repeatedly …
@cstross People need a certain amount of reliably-present cognitive armamentarium to keep planes in the air safely, and it's not clear this is still generally available what with repeated SARS infections. (It's also clear in many domains that people are most concerned with being _caught_ not thinking effectively, rather than about broader consequences.)
So Boeing, who was already ripping up any and all do-the-right-thing process, is the canary, not necessarily the uniquely bad example.
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‘Bazooka’ commerciale, ci siamo. Il Parlamento europeo potrebbe richiederne l’attivazione contro le minacce USA
@news
https://www.eunews.it/2026/01/21/bazooka-commerciale-ci-siamo-il-parlamento-europeo-potrebbe-richiederne-lattivazione-contro-le-minacce-usa/
Il presidente della commissione per il Commercio internazionale, Bernd Lange, formalizza lo stop all'implementazione dell'accordo sui dazi e annuncia: "Mi aspetto che i coordinatori decidano di richiedere l'avvio della procedura
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@coso_come_se_chiama cosa potrà mai andare storto
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@Elizafox I don't know IRL but I'd be absolutely ok with you cooking for me
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Corollario:
Se usate le impronte digitali per sbloccare il cellulare (o altro), per scrupolo registratene più di una... 😬
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So things I can make now, and do well:
* Italian bread
* Baguette
* Beef stew
* Chicken stew
* Spaghetti
* Steak (if I have a thermometer)
* Cheesy rice and beans
* Potato soup
* Mashed potatoes
* Bean soup (NEW)
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Jose has reached the boat stage of doing projects. It was always going to end this way.
