where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
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@pfefferle Maybe like a „Trackback link“ in the comments? (You mean, when a blog article gets cited, right?)
@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard aren't you interested in what the quote (text) was? don't you want to answer the quote?
isn't trackback/pingback a step back? https://indieweb.org/pingback#Problems
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard aren't you interested in what the quote (text) was? don't you want to answer the quote?
isn't trackback/pingback a step back? https://indieweb.org/pingback#Problems
@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard
> In our experience, 99% of all trackbacks and pingbacks are spam. This is the easiest way for spammers to get a backlink from your site.
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@pfefferle Blogging is part of the fediverse, but blogging is not social media. Do not detract from the blog post.
@cyclingrichard do you refer to incoming or outgoing quotes?
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard
> In our experience, 99% of all trackbacks and pingbacks are spam. This is the easiest way for spammers to get a backlink from your site.
@pfefferle @NickBohle @cyclingrichard Of course, context would be nice and is needed. But a different type of formatting would be also helpful. That’s what I meant with reference to the trackbacks. The positioning of them, it was/is just at the same place as the comments.
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@pfefferle @NickBohle @cyclingrichard Of course, context would be nice and is needed. But a different type of formatting would be also helpful. That’s what I meant with reference to the trackbacks. The positioning of them, it was/is just at the same place as the comments.
@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/09/introducing-quote-posts/
@pfefferle The QuoteRequest activity is similar to a Pingback with an extended interactionPolicy, and I believe it should treat the quoted content as a remote object rather than displaying it directly within a comment. A quote is not a comment, after all.
If you really want to support it, I think it would make the most sense to post it under a post/quote subpage.
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
@pfefferle @Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard The `send quoteRequest to` field sounds like a good approach.
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@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.
so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?
@pfefferle @Sascha @cyclingrichard
Theme implementation is a crucial point. I remember that I once wrote an article how to separate comments and pingbacks in "The Morning After" theme back in 2008.
How comments and pingbacks look in Twenty Twenty-Four nowadays (see below).
Furthermore - for me - a comment / reply continues a conservation. A quote starts a new conservation.
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@cyclingrichard do you refer to incoming or outgoing quotes?
@pfefferle I don't know enough about the topic to comment. I'd have to follow developments more closely to get a good idea of what is being prepared. I know that I want to pivot back towards social networks, rather than social media. It's good to have focused attention for individual blog posts. As I said, I need to spend more time following the conversation to give useful answers.
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/09/introducing-quote-posts/
@pfefferle My suggestion is to show a quote post as a highlighted #WordPress comment, along with the quoted section. Some blogs like the @verge highlight comments, although I think those are reserved for admins & users.
Another alternative is to have quoted post highlighted in the comments or a #Fediverse icon put next to the profile picture in the comments (maybe a small square toward the right side or have the #ActivityPub symbol appear next to the profile picture in the comments).
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@pfefferle In the trackbacks.
@pfefferle -- it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
be careful about these decisions because they will be hard to undo and may determine the character of the product.
i chose "wait for the reader," which makes me very much want to know what the reader will look like and how can we bridge it into the rss world which is where my new reader is running. ;-)
also feedland runs in that world too of course. you could be the hub for activitypub, not just a client.
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where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/09/introducing-quote-posts/
@pfefferle Something inbetween a classic pingback / traceback and the same presentation as a normal “retweet” / “retoot” / “share”
I don’t think it should appear as a comment as it isn’t a directly reply to the post, it’s merely a mention / sharing of it
It could chronologically appear among the comments, but like pingback / traceback and such it should not appear as a style of a comment.
And if one shows the number of shares a post have gotten, then a quote should for sure increase that one.
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@pfefferle -- it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
be careful about these decisions because they will be hard to undo and may determine the character of the product.
i chose "wait for the reader," which makes me very much want to know what the reader will look like and how can we bridge it into the rss world which is where my new reader is running. ;-)
also feedland runs in that world too of course. you could be the hub for activitypub, not just a client.
> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
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> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
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> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.
Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?
i have to think about this some more.
trackback is something i never liked in the blogosphere, because it was instantly a spam thing.
i remember the first time i saw that happening, i realized this isn't going to work.
i have a different model for discourse.
but i do like "likes" -- so that's a voluntary trackback -- and that makes more sense.
i guess i'm more confused about this today than i was the other day when I wrote that comment. 🙂
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i have to think about this some more.
trackback is something i never liked in the blogosphere, because it was instantly a spam thing.
i remember the first time i saw that happening, i realized this isn't going to work.
i have a different model for discourse.
but i do like "likes" -- so that's a voluntary trackback -- and that makes more sense.
i guess i'm more confused about this today than i was the other day when I wrote that comment. 🙂
@davew @pfefferle Ha! Yeah, it's a mind bender alright!
At least the Spam aspect shouldn't be a concern with all the back-and-forth to even allow quote posts.
The way I look at it is integrating an ActivityPub concept with a blogging concept that's already familiar to WP users.
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Right on the heels of WordPress 6.9 we released a new version of the ActivityPub plugin, making quote comments visible in the Reactions block and bringing you new ways of customizing your author pages.
Quotes Join the Reactions PartyWhen someone quotes your post on Mastodon or other Fediverse platforms, you’ll now see it right alongside your likes and reposts. Quotes get their own row in the Fediverse Reactions display, making it easy to see at a glance who’s building on your ideas and adding their own commentary.
Behind the scenes, we improved how we’re detecting quotes. Different platforms have their own ways of handling quote posts, and not all of them speak the same language. The plugin now understands these variations better, so whether someone quotes you from Mastodon, Misskey, or elsewhere, it just works.
This means your engagement stats tell a fuller story. A quote isn’t just a repost—it’s someone adding their voice to yours, and now WordPress can recognize and display that distinction.
Show Off Your Fediverse IdentityIf you’ve set up extra fields on your Fediverse profile—things like your website, pronouns, location, or links to other accounts—you can now display them directly on your WordPress site with the new Extra Fields block.
Drop it onto any page, post, or your author archive template, pick a style that fits your theme, and your profile details appear right where your visitors can see them. Choose from a clean table layout, a stacked list, or styled cards. You can also control how many fields to show and customize colors to match your site.
ChangelogAddedAdd documentation guide for using ActivityPub blocks in classic themes with Block Template PartsAdded a new Fediverse Extra Fields block to display ActivityPub extra fields, featuring compact, stacked, and card layouts with flexible user selection options.Added support for quote comments, improving detection and handling of quoted replies and links in post interactions.Add notifications for boosts, likes, and new followers in Mastodon apps via the Enable Mastodon Apps pluginAdds support for turning tags, categories, and custom taxonomies into federated collections in the Reader view so you can browse and follow topics more seamlessly.Prevent email notifications for comments on ActivityPub custom post types.Send a Reject activity when a quote comment is deleted, revoking previous quote permissions and ensuring consistent inbox handling.Store and retrieve webfinger acct for remote actors to improve identification and reduce lookupsChangedImprove gallery and image block markup for ap_posts with better alt text and optimized layouts.Improve support for media attachments by handling Audio, Document, and Video object types in addition to Images.Maintain consistent return values in Create handler.Remove trailing hashtags from incoming posts to prevent duplication with taxonomy tags.Store comments and reactions from followed actors on reader posts, and keep them separate from your site’s comments in wp-admin.Update compatibility testing for PHP 8.5 and WordPress 6.9Use tag name instead of slug for hashtag display.FixedAlways includes id, first, and last links in collection responses, ensuring followers and following lists display correctly in Mastodon.Automatically approves reactions on ActivityPub posts in the Reader view for a smoother, more seamless interaction experience.Deliver public activities to followers only.Disable REST API endpoints for internal post types.False mention email notifications for users in CC field without actual mention tags.Fix “Filename too long” errors when downloading attachments from URLs with query parameters (e.g., Instagram CDN URLs).Fix make_clickable corrupting existing anchor tags in ActivityPub contentFix PHP 8.5 deprecation warnings for ReflectionProperty::setAccessible() and ReflectionMethod::setAccessible()Improved handling of unusual activity data to avoid errors when activities contain unexpected formats.Preserve original ActivityPub activity timestamps when creating posts and comments instead of using current time.Prevented duplicate email notifications when ActivityPub instances re-send Follow activities for already-following actors.Prevents unwanted comment types—like pingbacks, trackbacks, notes and custom system comments, from being federated, ensuring only real user comments are shared with the fediverse.Removed a redundant instruction from the custom post content settings to simplify the UI.Reply block now shows fallback link when oEmbed fails instead of empty div.Simplified reply links by removing special handling for federated comments, making replies work the same for all comments where replying is allowed.Undefined array key warning in Scheduler::async_batch when called without arguments.DownloadsWordPress.org: activitypub.7.7.0.zipGitHub: tag/7.7.0Thank You!As always, a huge thanks to everyone who contributed code, reported bugs, tested early builds, and shared ideas. Every bit of feedback helps make ActivityPub for WordPress better for the whole community.
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When someone quote-boosts one of my Mastodon toots why do I get two identical notifications? One for the quote and the other for the boost? I use the web client of an instance that runs Mastodon Glitch Edition.
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@jan thank you Jan! Have a great day as well
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@_elena I hope too, good job! Have a wonderful day Elena 😉
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@jan hard to tell because it was towards the very end of the event and I think people were in a rush to go home. I hope we planted some seeds of curiosity
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@_elena @morloi @niccolove so, what kind of reactions did you guys get? Any feedback from audience, like somebody coming after the stage time and asking some questions? On stage questions? I'm curious! 🙂
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Quoting @morloi and re-sharing this here (translated) for you my Fedi friends:
“Today I fulfilled a desire. Thanks to @_elena and @niccolove, I brought a little piece of the Fediverse to the stage at Social Media Strategies, perhaps the most important event in Italy dedicated to social media professionals. Surprised faces, a gesture of annoyance, and hopefully a bit of curiosity too….”
Thank you so much Morloi! 💖
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