where would you expect quotes to show up in #WordPress ?

[sascha@bonn.social]

@pfefferle @NickBohle @cyclingrichard Of course, context would be nice and is needed. But a different type of formatting would be also helpful. That’s what I meant with reference to the trackbacks. The positioning of them, it was/is just at the same place as the comments.

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard the "problem" is, that there is no unified way how themes show pingbacks.

so you simply suggest to separate them from the "normal" comments!?

[thaumiel999@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle The QuoteRequest activity is similar to a Pingback with an extended interactionPolicy, and I believe it should treat the quoted content as a remote object rather than displaying it directly within a comment. A quote is not a comment, after all.

If you really want to support it, I think it would make the most sense to post it under a post/quote subpage.

[thaumiel999@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle @Sascha @NickBohle @cyclingrichard The `send quoteRequest to` field sounds like a good approach.

[nickbohle@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle @Sascha @cyclingrichard

Theme implementation is a crucial point. I remember that I once wrote an article how to separate comments and pingbacks in "The Morning After" theme back in 2008.

How comments and pingbacks look in Twenty Twenty-Four nowadays (see below).

Furthermore - for me - a comment / reply continues a conservation. A quote starts a new conservation.

[cyclingrichard@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle I don't know enough about the topic to comment. I'd have to follow developments more closely to get a good idea of what is being prepared. I know that I want to pivot back towards social networks, rather than social media. It's good to have focused attention for individual blog posts. As I said, I need to spend more time following the conversation to give useful answers.

[darnell@one.darnell.one]

@pfefferle My suggestion is to show a quote post as a highlighted #WordPress comment, along with the quoted section. Some blogs like the @verge highlight comments, although I think those are reserved for admins & users.

Another alternative is to have quoted post highlighted in the comments or a #Fediverse icon put next to the profile picture in the comments (maybe a small square toward the right side or have the #ActivityPub symbol appear next to the profile picture in the comments).

[davew@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle -- it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.

be careful about these decisions because they will be hard to undo and may determine the character of the product.

i chose "wait for the reader," which makes me very much want to know what the reader will look like and how can we bridge it into the rss world which is where my new reader is running. ;-)

also feedland runs in that world too of course. you could be the hub for activitypub, not just a client.

[voxpelli@mastodon.social]

@pfefferle Something inbetween a classic pingback / traceback and the same presentation as a normal “retweet” / “retoot” / “share”

I don’t think it should appear as a comment as it isn’t a directly reply to the post, it’s merely a mention / sharing of it

It could chronologically appear among the comments, but like pingback / traceback and such it should not appear as a style of a comment.

And if one shows the number of shares a post have gotten, then a quote should for sure increase that one.

[obenland@mastodon.social]

@davew @pfefferle

> it's not a trackback because whole threads can develop.

Could you expand on that? What about whole threads developing prevents it from being a trackback?

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@obenland @davew UI limitations!

[davew@mastodon.social]

@obenland @pfefferle

i have to think about this some more.

trackback is something i never liked in the blogosphere, because it was instantly a spam thing.

i remember the first time i saw that happening, i realized this isn't going to work.

i have a different model for discourse.

but i do like "likes" -- so that's a voluntary trackback -- and that makes more sense.

i guess i'm more confused about this today than i was the other day when I wrote that comment. 🙂

[obenland@mastodon.social]

@davew @pfefferle Ha! Yeah, it's a mind bender alright!

At least the Spam aspect shouldn't be a concern with all the back-and-forth to even allow quote posts.

The way I look at it is integrating an ActivityPub concept with a blogging concept that's already familiar to WP users.