@glyph Did you quote post something?
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Why can't they do that with sea water then recondense that evaporated water as desalinated rain to provide drinking water to a community or irrigate a desert or something?@bornach @RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph Using seawater as your heat dump would actually work pretty well. Except there isn't any nearby. Coastal land is at a price premium, and data centers are built where land is cheap, usually on the outskirts of towns or cities. Even if you built one near the coast, tapping large quantities of seawater and returning it warmer would mean environmental review and permitting, and in the rush to ride the bandwagon there is no time to wait for such things.
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@RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph so basically they're transferring as much GPU heat into the (evaporated) water as possible, and don't wanna do the hard work of cooling it down again, since it's easier to just pump in new water from the existing tap water infrastructure?
@riverpunk @RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph Pretty much. You could run it without evaporation, but that would mean higher energy use. Evaporating water is just the most cost-effective means of cooling in warmer climate, unless you have a convenient river next door.
It's exactly the same equipment as in a power station cooling tower. Just scaled down.
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@RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph
Why can't they do that with sea water then recondense that evaporated water as desalinated rain to provide drinking water to a community or irrigate a desert or something?@bornach @RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph
Aside from social aspects, there's also a technical one:
Sea water is aggressive to metal tubes, especially when heated up.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph Well. when you say it like that, it's hard to not be ..... impressed :D
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph And likely containing bugs not present in any of the source material!
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@stuartl @riverpunk @glyph Physicists use joules. They are more appropriate in almost all applications.
The business side of power delivery uses watt-hours because it makes the billing calculations much easier and more intuitive.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph 🤯 LLM's are basically the "I made pasta out of pasta" meme on a collosal scale aren't they?
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
And yet, without the LLM, that senior engineer would have spent that month writing boilerplate instead of orchestrating the synthesis. It's almost like tools are force multipliers, not magic wands. Who knew?
Wait until they find out how much source code, energy, and senior engineer time went into building the compiler that built the library.
Abstraction layers are wild, aren't they?
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@mirano if they're laughable, it should be easy to disprove them, no?
also, do learn about luddites. luddites weren't against progress; and they were right.
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@mirano if they're laughable, it should be easy to disprove them, no?
also, do learn about luddites. luddites weren't against progress; and they were right.
@mawhrin There's really nothing to disprove here. Or first tell me the volume of that demagogic pool of water and nonsensical units of energy.
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@mawhrin There's really nothing to disprove here. Or first tell me the volume of that demagogic pool of water and nonsensical units of energy.
@mirano come again?
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And yet, without the LLM, that senior engineer would have spent that month writing boilerplate instead of orchestrating the synthesis. It's almost like tools are force multipliers, not magic wands. Who knew?
Wait until they find out how much source code, energy, and senior engineer time went into building the compiler that built the library.
Abstraction layers are wild, aren't they?
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@mirano come again?
@mawhrin Look, I understand that it's sad when progress forces you to change your work style or job in general, because you become obsolete. Crying on the internet, coming up with nonsensical constructions, and commiserating with like-minded colleagues won't help anyone. You'll only feel better for a moment.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
Reminds me of the old Superman TV episode, "All That Glitters" in which a scientist comes up with a machine that makes gold. Adventure ensues as criminals attempt to capture the device, only to discover that it requires $10k worth of platinum for the machine to make $5k worth of gold 😆
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@mawhrin Look, I understand that it's sad when progress forces you to change your work style or job in general, because you become obsolete. Crying on the internet, coming up with nonsensical constructions, and commiserating with like-minded colleagues won't help anyone. You'll only feel better for a moment.
@mirano are you talking about the confabulation machines or are you praising russian army gains in ukraine? because the style is eerily similar.