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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph won't you also need 300 underpaid workers from kenya?
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph and it might even work! As long as you don't plan to update it or do anything too complex with it....
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph The fact it produced something working at all, even after that month of spare time IS truly amazing.
(Fuck, is THIS where the so-called "Magnificent 7" 's standards are these days? -_- )
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@glyph what’s the context here. Feels like I missed some news
@volkersfreunde @glyph It's easy to find, but someone published a html5 parser in Python. Someone else converted that to javascript using llm. Both by very experienced developers.
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> As models have gotten better, I've seen steady increases in test coverage.
These are not the words of an engineer.
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@stuartl @glyph Power is measured as watts, or joules ÷ time.
Energy is measured as Joules, or slightly obscurely, as Power × time, as in Watt-hours.
So a megawatt-hour is a measurement of energy. It's the amount of every required to run a Megawatt of power for 1 hour (or 1 watt for 1 million hours, etc)
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@bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph because of delta t
The higher your temperature difference going in and the lower your temperature difference going out, the cheaper it is to get rid of heat
@RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph so basically they're transferring as much GPU heat into the (evaporated) water as possible, and don't wanna do the hard work of cooling it down again, since it's easier to just pump in new water from the existing tap water infrastructure?
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@RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph
Why can't they do that with sea water then recondense that evaporated water as desalinated rain to provide drinking water to a community or irrigate a desert or something?@bornach @RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph Using seawater as your heat dump would actually work pretty well. Except there isn't any nearby. Coastal land is at a price premium, and data centers are built where land is cheap, usually on the outskirts of towns or cities. Even if you built one near the coast, tapping large quantities of seawater and returning it warmer would mean environmental review and permitting, and in the rush to ride the bandwagon there is no time to wait for such things.
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@RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph so basically they're transferring as much GPU heat into the (evaporated) water as possible, and don't wanna do the hard work of cooling it down again, since it's easier to just pump in new water from the existing tap water infrastructure?
@riverpunk @RichiH @bornach @GroupNebula563 @glyph Pretty much. You could run it without evaporation, but that would mean higher energy use. Evaporating water is just the most cost-effective means of cooling in warmer climate, unless you have a convenient river next door.
It's exactly the same equipment as in a power station cooling tower. Just scaled down.
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@RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph
Why can't they do that with sea water then recondense that evaporated water as desalinated rain to provide drinking water to a community or irrigate a desert or something?@bornach @RichiH @GroupNebula563 @glyph
Aside from social aspects, there's also a technical one:
Sea water is aggressive to metal tubes, especially when heated up.
Additionally, the minerals it contains remain as solids when the water is evaporated. -
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph Well. when you say it like that, it's hard to not be ..... impressed :D
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph And likely containing bugs not present in any of the source material!
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@stuartl @riverpunk @glyph Physicists use joules. They are more appropriate in almost all applications.
The business side of power delivery uses watt-hours because it makes the billing calculations much easier and more intuitive.
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
@glyph 🤯 LLM's are basically the "I made pasta out of pasta" meme on a collosal scale aren't they?
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Hey, fascist propaganda bot for the US empire, shut your corpo bile up your aluminum arse! Bloody hell!
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it's truly amazing what LLMs can achieve. we now know it's possible to produce an html5 parsing library with nothing but the full source code of an existing html5 parsing library, all the source code of all other open source libraries ever, a meticulously maintained and extremely comprehensive test suite written by somebody else, 5 different models, a megawatt-hour of energy, a swimming pool full of water, and a month of spare time of an extremely senior engineer
And yet, without the LLM, that senior engineer would have spent that month writing boilerplate instead of orchestrating the synthesis. It's almost like tools are force multipliers, not magic wands. Who knew?
Wait until they find out how much source code, energy, and senior engineer time went into building the compiler that built the library.
Abstraction layers are wild, aren't they?
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@Tutanota yes the article was great EXCEPT for the section on social media that included so many travesties:
"A promising new contender is W, a 100% European platform (but nothing to do with the EU, as conspiracy theorists have claimed)."
Where do I start?
1) W Social is a fork of ATProto (aka Bluesky, something that the writer dismissed).
2) "Conspiracy Theorists"? Well, Euronews was the first to fact check with the European Commission, which denied any involvement.
Do better Steve Rose
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It doesn't mention search engines at all which I consider one of the most invidious big tech tools - tracking, biasing, advertising …
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Also I can't but read their URL as
TCP/IP e-line
instead of TC Pipeline, but that's probably just me and I don't know if it's intentional.
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@Tutanota I think it's great that, finally, privacy oriented alternatives are getting the attention they deserve. But this must become a principle to defend on itself, because it took the tech bros political marriage to Trump in order to change minds. When these tech bros were still large donors to the democratic party, privacy and digital rights were widely derided or even frowned upon. So hopefully we learn from this, and start taking a longer term position on our digital rights.
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By the way, if you happen to be #trans and live in #Kansas, and you're looking into making my joke above a reality, look into the Trans Continental Pipeline
that might help you relocate to a safer state.
(Sadly, and predictably, they're currently swamped with requests.)
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When software was fun. I miss the quirky and passionate small software houses and bedroom programmers of the 1980s, who were not yet as glamorous as "studios" or "indies".
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@Tutanota Good to see more reasons to unsubscribe from those companies who are funding US fascism. And some very viable options to those companies who are contributing to our demise.
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